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Karl
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 Posted - Mar 15 2002 : 12:06:41 AM
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Football Is Business First:
Thu Mar 14 19:04:52 2002
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It is important that we all realise that football is business first. The game/play comes after.
All of footballs' decisions are made on this basic principle. Business first.
The decision in selecting a squad is based only on the best performers. Not the most popular player, nor whom the spectators feel should be on the team.
Today, (or maybe it was yesterday), Capt. Burrell mentioned that English ballaz are being screened as possible candidates for the Reggae Boyz squad.
Burrell is a business man. Every first year business student will tell you that the reason one goes into business is to make money. A business makes money ONLY when it is successful. And to suceed, a manager employs ONLY the best workers. The best workers are not necessarily the manager's friends or family. The best workers are experienced personnel.
So when the time comes for the Reggae BoyZ squad to be selected, it would behove us to accept the team selected by the Jamaican managers. They are privy to information that we the supporterZ are clueless about. This is what they get paid thousands of dallars to do. It is their job...not ours.
The players we feel should be on the team , will not necessarily be the best from an experience point of view. Most often they are local Boyz who stood out in our local NPL and A league. They have no experience out of Jamaica.
[I have mentioned previously, that the those local BoyZ who SHOULD BE selected, MUST fall into the 95th. precentile of good football players in Jamaica].
The arguement that each player should earn his spot is valid. But the question now becomes: what is the probability of a local player making it over one with international experience? The probability is certainly not zero. But a player with international experience stands a better chance in making it.
The most experienced players play for clubs in England the US France, Germany and other foreign countries. Our local BoyZ are not exposed to much of what it takes to play the game internationally.
Oh yes!!! Jamaica has the diamonds. Let me hasten to get that straight. But only in the rough. The polishing can only be achieved abroad. Just ask Johnson or Fuller or Whitmore or Bibi or even my good friend Mr. O. Lowe.
So when I state the 8:3 ratio, it is stated only from a business first perspective. (One has to be void of sentimental feelings to a particular group). I care only about Jamaica and the Green, Black and Gold. And the best possibility for success turns out to be those players with international experience...and they should comprize the bulk of the squad.
Football now-a-days is BUSINESS FIRST...memba dat.
HL
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Karl
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Posted - Mar 15 2002 : 12:08:56 AM
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Very true, football is a business......
Thu Mar 14 19:21:41 2002
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But let us also remember that companies sometimes find
it more cost effective to train their staff so that
they can promote from within. Employing from outside
can be a costly affair and if you don't learn to train
your staff, then you'll forever be recruiting.
The time-span between 1998 and 2006 is eight years.
I would like to think that the JFF and its affiliates
are implementing the proper training methods to
produce quality employees (players). How long must we
recruit? I welcome the UB-40 players but if that's
the only thing Burrell can do then we might as well
employ Robbie Earle, Carl Brown or even Howie Lowe to
do that job. I have no problem with the 8:3 ratio, so
long as some of "8" are home-grown then sent to Europe
to be honed.
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Karl
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Posted - Mar 15 2002 : 12:10:31 AM
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HL: Great debate!
Thu Mar 14 20:47:28 2002
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I am going to archive the input on RBSC Forum.
I'll stand on the side lines and 'tek hit heen'.
Let me say, however, all good companies have a 'Mission Statement'. What are the aims of the JFF? What is the philosophy that guides the 'Where the company should go?' ...and the 'How?' Does this fit within the philosophy of 'Perpetual Renewal'? ...'perpetual growth'? ...maximizing of earnings potential? ...economic benefits to Jamaica and her people? ...social benefits? ...etc.?
The answers to these and other questions should give us the mind set of the Massive and who knows shape the debate? a) within the JFF and b) draw all sectors of the society to have input? ...and perhaps, c) change the way football is perceived and administered in Jamaica?
Deh pan de outside looking on!
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Karl
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Posted - Mar 16 2002 : 08:20:20 AM
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Is it possible that some of those who would shape our Jamaica football are confused? If in fact there is confusion, could such confusion stem from an inability to understand that it is the responsibility of the JFF to state broad (encompassing the entire island and every area of football) philosophy, provide guidance and enhance the climate within which a state of perpetual renewal, in all necessary areas will florish and grow....and the belief that activity at the national teams level is not the alpha and omega?
Could it be that HL's perspective is similarly limited to only action at the national level?
Is it not necessary, for the JFF, in Jamaica, to develop the entire football 'universe' (i.e. from the cradle to ....national levels)...to get stuck in on 'Perpetual Renewal'?
Is it too much to ask "Let us see this all-encompassing program that will move us forward from where we currently are, with what we currently have, to where we would like to go?" Let us see the 'white paper' showing step by step, in each area with the connections and linkages clearly noted and explained?
Karl
Posted - Mar 16 2002
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Karl
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Posted - Mar 17 2002 : 9:50:37 PM
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Didn't mean you personally.
Sun Mar 17 18:26:52 2002
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I like your suggestion re the teams from all levels. It is a wonderful idea but I am certain it would take a lot of organization and infrastructure to sustain it. They would need a lot of people with your creativity, vision, and focus to make it work.
The only sustainable way for it, is for bridges to be built between various ministries and community organizations. They can share infrastructure, staff, and organizing apparatus.
An ex major league baller friend of mine visited me in the states recently. I took him to a high school soccer playoff game and he just marveled at the facilities. Of the 50 or so high schools in the area, the facilities at his school did not stand out above the others. The ball field had basic stands, an athletic track, and a wonderful playing surface. He remarked that the track and the field were in better condition than Ja's best such facilities. He then said that if Ja could have one such facility in every parish, and two or three additional in each of Kingston, MoBay, May Pen and Mandeville metro areas, there would be so much more for youth to do and keep from being idle, and performance across the board in football, and track and field would improve significantly.
Those facilities are really not that expensive to build or to maintain. But hey have to be protected. We cant have people driving on them or have goats and cattle running on them. No stage shows or concerts. Nobody using them as shortcuts to get from one place to the other.
Imagine if the gov't built private sector and local community partnerships, and said they would build three such facilites a year for the next 10 years. Each community could raise the funds for lighting and for stands through concessions at each site, and community sponsors could adopt and maintain the facilities. One facility could be built at maybe a 4,000 to 5,000 foot altitude in St Thomas or Portland and could be used as a national training camp to be used by natioanl soccer teams, male and female, of all ages. They could have retreats there , away from distractions of the big cities and towns. There could be a very small year round staff.
The average capacity of the stands could be between 5,000 and 10,000. That is more than good enough for most of Ja's high school and adult league games.
Unfortunately, most people in JA have tunnel vision, have had bad experiences, or are caught up in making a livable wage and trying to avoid being bittten by the crime bug.
Please don't misunderstand me as trying to mash your corn. I admire your vision. Remember the quote which says that people without vision will perish.
I am going to check out the exact price of constructing track failities. I already know that if the land is available, the cost of constructing the field with irrigation in Ja would be about a million. If the track is about a million and the parking area costruction is another million at most, then the gov't could build one basic facility for about $3,000,000. (US dollars)
Respek,
Westman.
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Nelson Garcia
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Posted - Mar 18 2002 : 04:14:07 AM
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OTown
Sun Mar 17 19:15:12 2002
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Why do you think anybody will act on all your good ideas? I am a bit cynical. So much good has come out of discussions on this Forum, but if nobody like JFF or the Sports Minister, or the Health Minister, or the education minister pays attention to what we post, we will eventually get frustrated and look toward a 4th, 5th or 6th place qualification again next time, if we are lucky.
Shatta and others continue to post things about renewal and sustainability, but I don't really know if those ideas amount to more than just the most enthusiastic fans just brainstorming.
Good luck with putting your ideas forward still.
Peace,
OTown
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Karl
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Posted - Mar 18 2002 : 8:50:31 PM
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Ranger's article from www.go-kingston.com
Mon Mar 18 13:21:18 2002
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JFF's looks at Violence in Football and the proposed Professional League
By Maurice 'Ranger' Walker
(Email: brinxranger@hotmail.com)
The JFF's posh New Kingston Offices played host on Friday March 8, 2002 to a seminar planned by its Competitions Committee. The Seminar, Chaired by Ed Barnes, Senior Sports Journalist, was very enlightening in certain aspects and disappointing in others.
Mr. Neville Oxford, Deputy Chairman of the JFF's Disciplinary Committee, made the first of three presentations on violence in football. Mr. Oxford commenced his presentation by showing a tape of the well-publicised missile-throwing incident between Arnett Gardens and Tivoli Gardens at the Harbour View Mini-Stadium. He then went on to outline the objectives of the Disciplinary Committee. These he said included
- Acting as the rehabilitative arm of the JFF
- Maintaining Professionalism and Discipline
- Getting club officials to realise their responsibility to club and country
- Make recommendations to improve the running of football.
Mr. Oxford then posted some statistics on reports of violent conduct over three months of the NPL. Of the 57 reported cases, there were 34 reports of harsh tackles, 15 cases of verbal abuse, 4 of indiscipline by club officials and the same amount of attacks on match officials. There was a significant increase in the number of complaints filed by clubs about referees, and according to him, most of them seem justified. He went on to remind clubs to be more proactive by reminding players how to behave. Clubs were urged to use their PA system to assist in keeping the crowd under control and also to share success stories with each other and encourage discipline
Next up was Mr. Owen Powell of the JFF's referee Commission. In an era where football is big business, he does not want referees to be made scapegoats. He credits actions by certain players and gambling spectators as being responsible for some of the misconduct by fans at games and wants clubs to educate fans on the natural short comings of the men in the middle.
He says that while the JFF and the RFC are doing everything to improve the standard of referees, he thinks that the lack of finances for funding a referee's school is a major hindrance. He credits Mexico's production of international referees to their having such a school. Powell encouraged clubs to make proper security arrangement and that they groom their officials in dressing and oral skills, so that they may communicate better with fans. He also urged referees to pay more attention to dissent from players and to be more consistent.
Senior Superintendent of Police, Harry Daley, closed this segment on violence by admitting that there is much more to be done by all, the Police, JFF, Clubs, refs, players, all. He says everyone keeps shifting the blame from time to time. The man that was invited by FIFA to assist in controlling hooliganism during the France 98 World Cup was very detailed in his presentation.
"In preparing for a game, the club should make sure that the people to be used are competent to carry out the job". He stated that gatemen sometimes compromise their jobs by their actions and so too did security personnel who 'sees nothing and hears nothing'. He said that laid-out rules and standards should be enforced across the board, by all, at all times, no exception to ensure the smooth running of affairs. He encouraged clubs to form relationships with security people and to seek advise/assistance of off-duty policemen.
The General Secretary himself, Mr. Horace Reid, made an address to the large gathering of JFF executive body and staff members and representatives of all NPL and A league clubs. His address covered many areas beginning with some of the Federations success stories in qualifying three teams for three different respective World Cup. Special note was made of the massive contribution that football has made to Jamaica socially as well as economically. The gathering was told that in excess of $100 million dollars has come into the country via transfer fees for players and that there the possibility of more to come.
On the issue of violence in football, a series of FIFA/JFF rules and regulations were read, along with a few examples of how FIFA has dealt with past acts of violence involving Jamaica.
Mr. Reid informed the audience that the JFF recently engaged in rehabilitative work in the Island's prisons, using football, for its ability break down barriers and unify people. Of the pro-league, he used existing models to support the fact that we already have a semi-pro league and they are just seeking to raise the bar to the other level. In looking at the way forward, he used statistics to show that at current attendance figures and entrance cost, many clubs are operating in the red when income was compared to costs. Added to that, less than 40% of the clubs in the NPL have sponsors.
Talks in the media about the JFF building stadiums were laid to rest. "Very grand that idea" he said, "but to build a 30,000 seat stadiums with moderate facilities could cost almost $700 million dollars. I don't know that this federation will ever go near that kind of money…. no third world country will ever be in a position to do that…. I am yet to see where football federations around the world, and certainly the ones from third world countries, build stadiums". The much talked about stadiums that were recently built in Trinidad (5000 capacity), were built by the government private interest.
Representatives from six clubs, namely Constant Spring, Rivoli United, Harbour View, Reno, Village United and Seba United, all made presentations from their own perspective on the pro-league. To a greater extent, with some amount of reservations, all concurred that the pro-league could work, but conceded that a lot needs to be done. Similar to all were concerns about cleaning up the image of the game to attract sponsors, incentive from government for sponsors, better infrastructure, and the need for all involved to be more proactive and creative in getting the much needed funds. Many ideas were placed on the table by the clubs, clearly showing a willingness to do what is required to try to make it in the pros
The media's take on the pro-league was shared by a member of another daily newspaper as, "WE ARE NOT READY FOR THE PROS'. Six reasons were given:
Most clubs were unable to meet the minimum requirements set out by the JFF last year. These would be a must before we are ready to go pro.
Organisational structures within the clubs are virtually non-existent.
This year being an election year would not be the ideal year in which to start, as this could lead to instability, hence low attendance.
Some clubs seem to be operating for recreational purposes and not as the business that it should be.
Not convinced that clubs are doing enough to bring fans out to see games.
The fans have many 'safer' options in viewing a wide variety of sports on Cable TV, needed better reasons to venture out to attend these games.
Being pro, the report said, means more than full time employment in football. The standard of play, he said, needs to be improved as too many 'school boy' mistakes are being made. Next week I will be sharing with you Technical Director Carl Brown's presentation on the pro league and an update on his sojourn to England.
Harbour View welcome Rivoli to the Premier League, takes Federation Cup.
Bull Bay FC and Rivoli United gained promotion to the National Premier League on Thursday last when they completed 8-2 and 5-2 aggregate win over Mt. Salem and Seba respectively. After losing 2-0 playing away to Seba, Rivoli secure their NPL spot by whopping Seba on the return leg 5-0. But they got a taste of what life is like in the NPL when they fell 2-1 to a much more mature Harbour View in the championship game of the Jamaica National Federation Cup
Rivoli started out the brighter but ended the game with ten men as striker Rae Graham let down his Spanish Town faithful with a poor performance and two cautions that earned him a red card (min 57). Harbour View got he lead three minutes to the break when Craig White stole the ball from Santino Simpson in their own half, played a give and go with Donald Stewart who sent him one on one with Alien Whittaker in goal for Rivoli. With the keeper advancing, he slotted home to the left to take the lead.
Harbour View introduced star striker Fabian Taylor at the break and the player repaid coach Peter Cargil with a well-taken goal nine minutes after the restart. Bad judgement by Whittaker saw him hesitate on a ball he should have claimed. Taylor capitalised and rounded the keeper to slot home in an empty goal. Rivoli then rallied to try and save the game but Harbour View's class was evident and with ten men the odds were stocked in Harbour Views favour. But Rivoli threatened an upset when Stewart brought down Marvin Edwards in the area. Shawn Simpson converted the spot kick beautifully. Rivoli then threw everything they had but Harbour View held on for the trophy and $275,000 while the losers received $175,000.
In the second end of round final between Tivoli and Arnett Gardens U21 teams played at Up Park Camp without spectators, Tivoli emerged winners with a 1-0 victory courtesy of a Roland Dean effort. But the victory was over shadowed by the fact that there was no representative of the JFF on hand for the end of round final. To make matters worse, there was no presentation of a trophy as neither trophy or a presenter was on hand. Arnett Gardens had to provide match balls while Tivoli provided ball boys for the game. When does it stop?
See you next week. Remember to send emails to brinxranger@hotmail.com.
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