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  • #16
    i-man we are judging Hillary unfairly. Trump hasn't release his tax returns and Hillary and all the campaign staff email is in for play. I can bet you if Trump close friends email was hacked he may have been in jail. You can look at the emails but in most cases you can't say any laws were broken and I assume in over 20,000 email dump there will always be a few that raise eyebrow.

    Let us see Guliani, Christie, Manafor and Lewendaski email along with the Trump kids and then we can talk. It is totally unfair to dump someone email over 4 or 5 years.
    • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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    • #17
      The fact that Trump is also corrupt doesn't make the Clintons corruption OK.

      Trump knows his tax returns will show how he operates outside of the normal rules, just as Clinton knows her Wall Street speeches will show how much she is compromised. Hence they both hide them.

      This is the problem Hillary has found herself in, every day more people are feeling comfortable about voting for Trump because the alternative does not seem to be much better.
      "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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      • #18
        Sitting on a sofa on a Sunday afternoon
        Going to the candidates' debate
        Laugh about it, shout about it
        When you've got to choose
        Every way you look at this you lose.
        - Simon and Garfunkel , Mrs Robinson
        "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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        • #19
          This is the kind of story out of Ohio that I think people who are dismissing Trumps support as purely racist need to consider. Race plays a part, yes, but the story is more nuanced than that.


          Ray, who has worked in the same factory since high school, voted for Obama twice , but there was something about Trump that struck him this year. He called himself “converted,” though he’s still technically registered as a Democrat and voted for Bernie Sanders in Ohio’s Democratic primary. Ray is not alone. White voters without a college degree have been trending heavily towards the Republican nominee this year, and 41 percent of Obama voters in Ashtabula in 2012 were in this Trump-shifting group, making it one of the counties where Trump stands to gain the most compared to four years ago.

          http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...=2016-forecast
          "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Islandman View Post
            This is the kind of story out of Ohio that I think people who are dismissing Trumps support as purely racist need to consider. Race plays a part, yes, but the story is more nuanced than that.




            http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...=2016-forecast
            Sexism! A Trump supporter yesterday acknowledged that Hillary is more qualified, but use the usual she is crooked escape hatch to insist on supporting the con artist. Yet when I pointed out the Trump University scam etc ... his reply was yes ... but ... she is crooked. The problem is some of these a$$holes not voting for her because ..... she is a woman.
            "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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            • #21
              The big difference is one is out in the open like a book and one is hiding everything. Regardless how we got it, it is in the open and that makes very unfair if you ask me.

              I am not saying Clinton is to escape criticism but we are using one standard to judge her and another for Trump. Nobody know the extent of his tax return, his racial discrimination and all the bad language he used. The NPC tapes may just be the start.
              • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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              • #22
                Well we know enough about his tax returns, which is that he most likely hasn't paid any income tax in decades. We know about his dealings with women, which is that he disrespected and took advantage of them often. We also know he is a racist on some level. All that is known. What else is there to know that would have made much of a difference? I don't see it.

                Trump is tapping into some raw emotions that make those issues less important. It seems to me that Americans want to elect Trump, they just need a good enough reason to feel ok about it.

                Clinton and her problems are providing enough of a reason for some people, we just have to hope that it is too little too late because she appears to be fading fast.
                "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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                • #23
                  The problem is we don't know all of what Trump did. We have a peek into his tax return, what else is there? There are many more tapes with Trump like the Apprentice tapes which I can guarantee you would be worst for him over 9 years. Clinton problem is the same thing over and over because new information keep coming. Not the same for Trump.
                  • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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                  • #24
                    Check the quote at the bottom of my posts!
                    Peter R

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                    • #25
                      Thanks for bringing up those lyrics I-man... nothing is new.
                      Peter R

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Islandman View Post
                        Well we know enough about his tax returns, which is that he most likely hasn't paid any income tax in decades.

                        That he most likely hasn't paid any income tax for years? Most likely?

                        The man was found to not pay income tax for yesrd! ...and he bragged that doing showed him "smart".

                        Most likely?
                        Give us all a break!

                        - We know about his dealings with women, which is that he disrespected and took advantage of them often.

                        - We also know he is a racist on some level. All that is known.

                        What else is there to know that would have made much of a difference? I don't see it.
                        You do not see the many policies and taken positions he has put forward that are inarguably nonsense?

                        Look contortions to make him appear to be something he is not are designed to give known unrealistic image of the person or persons jumping through hoops as unwittingly going down a wrong path. What is really about is informing on those persons' (each) real core self.

                        Trump is tapping into some raw emotions that make those seem to br issues of less importance. It seems to me that Americans want to elect Trump, they just need a good enough reason to feel ok about it.
                        Hoping the good people will not see the truth about them. It is like: I know I am spouting BS but I must divert thoughts from my deplorable self. I am good just misguided!

                        Clinton and her problems are providing enough of a reason for some people, we just have to hope that it is too little too late because she appears to be fading fast.
                        Again, what are her problems?

                        Is it lies and attacks over a continuous period of in excess of 30 years creating a perception to some of "there is never smoke without fire"...therefore there must be some truth hidden somewhere within the voluminous lies and attacks! Not a question but statement as fact!

                        The fact is, Hillary is good for America & the World. The anti-Clintons noise is rooted in racism and for some irrational thought! From my vantage point as honest a politician as I have ever spent time researching.

                        - btw: Claiming she has, on comparison to the vast majority of politicians, trust issues or supportors enthusiasm factor goes against historical records.

                        Less committed than Bernie's followers?
                        Proved wrong by numbers who voted for her and States won!

                        Who wishes to bet against her now?
                        Her policies as articulated on each and every topic...Good!

                        Trump's?
                        Garbage!

                        The honest check puts her ahead of Trump as per someone who finishes a race against the result of someone who did not face the starter!

                        - These 2 examples of fearlessness stand out...
                        i) She went into 'coal country' and informed coal as energy source is going the way of the horse and buggy as mode of transpotation;

                        - She is for the TTP but some provisions need adjustments more favourable to 'fairness' = more palatable to the USA.

                        Both in the face of attacks from may quarters and the real pain being felt in crucial battleground States.
                        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                        • #27
                          Her essential problem is that she is a creature of Washington and all it stands for, and it doesn't stand for much that is good these days.

                          When the general public sees you as less trustworthy than Trump, you have serious credibility issues. Sad!
                          Last edited by Islandman; November 3, 2016, 07:52 PM.
                          "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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