Donald could be President

[Sir X]

If the USA had a parlimentarian system like Jamaica, all it would take is a majority in congress of his party to be elected . I say that to insinuate that Jamaica has have leaders who would and should never have been leaders if we had a more democratic system where the people directly appoint its leader.We have a system that stifles expression , so how can we as a nation grow in civility, economically , democratically ?

It kills us from having better choices , better leaders , better decision makers.Kills our judiciary , our economics our civic's .People wake up.

[Sir X]

To borrow a phrase,our system is rigged.Wouldn't Trump love our shitstem,Perfect for Messanicism and demagoguery.


The end result being tribalism of course,all written in the constitution with no checks and balances.

[Gamma]

uhm....the American people do NOT elect the president.

[Sir X]

Yes they do, the electoral college certifies the process,they have yet to move against it,although they could at their peril because they answer to the people,again checks and balances.

https://www.archives.gov/federal-reg...ege/about.html

[Islandman]

Westminister system not perfect but works pretty well in many places.

The US system resulted in Gore getting more votes and losing the presidency. Overall I prefer it to Westminister but it certainly has its flaws and could easily result in a constitutional crisis if the people who ultimately cast the electoral votes decide to go against the voters will.

[Sir X]

The westminister system works well in other places because they have changed their constitution to adapt to the peoples needs of expressing themselves.Jamaica has done what ?

Checks and balances, accountability, transparency is the big difference in ours.Ours is corrupt ,tribal,messanic,elitist,classist, you name it ,any bloody term you can insert that refers to stangnation.

Its rigged, you vote in a party via a MP, who selects a P.M.The party can remove the MP who you vote in as your representative,in some cases select them for you CC Pryce .The Judiciary favors the rich.

This is madness, we fool ourselves with our colonial mentality that its good because it was handed down by our master.Am I missing something ?

America is great because the people ask that their voices be heard and leaders must account that they hear them , by instituting progressive laws of governance. That to me is democracy and it isnt perfect !

Jamaica is screwed because people ask that their voices be heard and the leaders pretend they hear them with this shitstem of democratic dictatorship, gully wuk and chicken back is the order of the day - crumbs.

The day Holness or Portia know say poor people vote dem in - directly is the day we have change- dynamic progressive change unleashing the beast within us to run that race of life , like wi run the 100m.

[Gamma]

So how could it be that more people voted for Gore than Bush and yet.....

And as for the electoral college that is a luck and a prayer. They reserve the right to appoint whom THEY wish ... Don't forget that

[Sir X]

The system worked with Gore vs Bush ,it went to the supreme Court another check in the balance.Yes they have a right ,the electoral college,as for it being luck and a prayer,i dare any state apointee to vote against their state voter wishes.Cant be coincidence they haven't done it since it's inception ?

Another check in the balances,but most of all the progressiveness of those elected to create laws that are intended to fulfill the voters wishes.

Contrast that with our stagnant shitstem,yuh a talk bout luck.Poor people lucky fi di chicken back,fowl coob,gully wuk ,JEEP wuk.

[Gamma]

Democracy is majority rule .... That's not democracy

[Sir X]

Not true ,only a part of what should be ,Jamaica is a classic example of that,having the right to vote or rule of law by a majority vote doesnt constitue a democracy.

I would argue a democracy is one that hears the voice of the minority and makes effective change within its system of governance for fair representation.

[Gamma]

If that is how YOU define it. You can define it as The right to N ice cream sundae if you so desire .

Hearing the voice of the minority is a function of the government of the day, not the system

[Sir X]

Cuba has a majority vote ,so the majority rules ,you call that a democracy ?

A true democracy should make allowances for all voices to be heard,points represented but most of all progressive laws for the people to express change,points to be heard/represented without fear of persecution.In other words people must be heard and those that govern should enact progressive laws to meet those needs.

It's ridiculous to look at it as soley majority rules,a communist can argue They should rule,so should a facist.

[Gamma]

Well it certainly is not a minority rule I can tell you that ..... That is dictatorship or authoritarianism .... A monarchy even

Anyway I already have spent more time on this than it merits

[Sir X]

To Reinforce my point :


no ethical argument for democracy ever based it on majority rule. That includes arguments for the American Constitution, which were based on individual rights, not majority rule. The term “majority rule” was at most a short-hand phrase for pragmatic day-to-day politics, and even then, strictly speaking, it is misleading.

In parliamentary democracies majority parties or coalitions of parties rule, but only so long as a majority of voters supports them. Tyranny of the majority is more possible in parliamentary systems, but on the other hand most have developed customary norms, such as England’s “unwritten constitution,” that limit this danger.


http://dizerega.com/2013/05/09/under...majority-rule/

[Gamma]

So what ARE you saying?!! 🙄