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    Beating kids serve one purpose very well. This process is teaching them it is ok to hit someone because you love them!

    I used to encourage KD to legislate the removal all forms of corporal punishment from the society. My view is that if you want an adult to understand that he or she should not assault another person then you need to start with the children and make it illegal for anyone to slap a child. Children need to grow up with a clear understanding that is is wrong for anyone to hit anyone.



    Monteith, Johnson again disagree on corporal punishment
    BALFORD HENRY, Observer writer
    Monday, July 16, 2007

    NONTEITH. recreation or sports should be used as a means of changing behaviour
    NOEL Monteith, the minister of state for education and youth, and Leader of Opposition Business Anthony Johnson have again differed on the issue of corporal punishment, as the Senate debated the Child Care and Protection Act regulations on Friday.
    As was the case in February 2005, when the Senate passed an Act providing for the regulation and management of early childhood institutions, Senator Noel Monteith supported corporal punishment, while Senator Johnson opposed the idea.
    In fact, Senator Johnson recalled "this was the third or fourth time" that the two had verbally clashed on the subject.
    "And I don't know if we are any closer to agreement," Senator Johnson said Friday.
    JOHNSON. the violent behaviour of many adult Jamaicans can be traced to the use of corporal punishment
    Senator Monteith felt that allowing some level of corporal punishment in children homes could produce better results than the punishment allowed in the regulations for the Act, which were passed on Friday.
    The regulations restrict punishment in the institutions to temporary loss of recreation; isolation from other children; and forfeiture of rewards and privileges, including pocket money.
    But Senator Monteith said that recreation often meant physical education and sport which, he felt, should not be withdrawn from children in order to punish them.

    "I have always taken objection to anybody using the subject area of physical education and sport as a means of punishment," Monteith said.
    "It is to me a normal, regular subject area and nobody ever say that they are going to take away children from maths... It is my subject area. I have been a teacher of physical education and sport all the years of my life," he said.
    According to Senator Monteith, recreation or sports should be used as a means of changing behaviour, instead of as a form of punishment.
    He added that isolation is, sometimes, much more traumatic than "a little slap on the wrist."
    He said, too, that when students are isolated no one knows what they might do to themselves. "Some children are seriously afraid of being alone, even if light is there, and it can be very traumatic," he said.
    Senator Monteith said that the Child Care and Protection Act's regulations were silent on how to restrain youngsters who become violent as well as on verbal abuse.
    "Nothing is said about oral or verbal abuse of children," he pointed out. "Sometimes what you say to a child even have a more lasting effect on that child than a little slap."
    "Everybody likes to jump on corporal punishment, but not many people seem to do research. Talk to adults and they will tell you that when somebody told them that they were no good, and they had no use and call them idiot and things like that. the type of effect it has had on them for over long periods in their lives," Senator Monteith told senators.
    Senator Johnson, at the same time, said it was only himself and former Leader of Government Business, Burchell Whiteman, had opposed corporal punis-hment when the issue came up in 2005.
    'We were clearly against it, and I have been speaking on it a lot over time and I recognise that, in fact, it is one of the core problems of the Jamaican society," he said.
    He told the Senate that the violent behaviour of many adult Jamaicans could be traced to the use of corporal punishment during their childhood. He felt it taught them the debasement and abuse of the human body.
    "The issue now is what can be done about it to make discipline a tool of correction and guidance, rather than of debasement and abuse," Johnson said.
    "I am not certain that we have the answer to it, but I would hope that somehow a forum is found, preferably within the ambit of the child care and protection system, to train people in how you raise children in Jamaica without the abuse," he said.
    Leader of Government Business Senator A J Nicholson, in closing the debate, admitted that he did not have the expertise to address those concerns.
    "I appreciate the concerns, but let us understand that there are persons who work in the ministry and, in fact, this is one of the areas that the United Nations monitors daily," Nicholson said.
    He said that what was obvious was that both sides wanted to ensure proper care and protection of the children, and promised to pass on their concerns to the Child Development Agency.
    The same type of thinking that created a problem cannot be used to solve the problem.

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    Originally posted by Time View Post
    Beating kids serve one purpose very well. This process is teaching them it is ok to hit someone because you love them!

    I used to encourage KD to legislate the removal all forms of corporal punishment from the society. My view is that if you want an adult to understand that he or she should not assault another person then you need to start with the children and make it illegal for anyone to slap a child. Children need to grow up with a clear understanding that is is wrong for anyone to hit anyone.


    On the face of it, it appears to be a rational stance. ...and, I notice you were very careful to state "Beating kids serve one purpose..." and not the only purpose.

    Well if we agree it could serve to reinforce more than one thing, what then are the other good things beating of a kid may reinforce?

    ...and, is there a way to administer corporal punishment such that it teach it is not OK to hit someone when it is not necessary? ...and, when it is necessary to hit someone more force that necessary is not used?
    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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    • #3
      Let be pratical, the fact that it illegal to slap a child in America does not mean that no American parent slaps a child but at least the child knows that this is abnormal behavior. On the other hand, Senator Monteith want to teach children that this is normal behavior.

      If a US parent takes a risk and slaps a child then at least the child knows that what mommy or daddy did is not normal behavior but if senator Monteith has his way then that child will believe that beating someone is normal behavior.

      There will always be exception to the rull but the exception does not have to be legal. A lady in Toronto was slapping her child because he was getting involved in gang activity. He called the cops and the mom asked the cop, do you see any bruises on this child? Do you prefer that I don't slap him or do you prefer that he shoots you when he gets to 18? The cop walked out the door and left the mom and the kid to work things out. I don't blame the mom or the cop for what they did but that does not mean that beating a child should be normal behavior and the way that you tell everyone that this is abnormal behavior is to make it illegal.
      The same type of thinking that created a problem cannot be used to solve the problem.

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      • #4
        "Let be pratical, the fact that it illegal to slap a child in America does not mean that no American parent slaps a child but at least the child knows that this is abnormal behavior." - Really?

        Abnormal or illegal behaviour? I know too many families in the USA who administer the belt when they have to, even while the kids know that it is illegal for them to do so. I dare them to report it!


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        • #5
          Originally posted by Time View Post
          Let be pratical, the fact that it illegal to slap a child in America does not mean that no American parent slaps a child but at least the child knows that this is abnormal behavior. On the other hand, Senator Monteith want to teach children that this is normal behavior.

          If a US parent takes a risk and slaps a child then at least the child knows that what mommy or daddy did is not normal behavior but if senator Monteith has his way then that child will believe that beating someone is normal behavior.

          There will always be exception to the rull but the exception does not have to be legal. A lady in Toronto was slapping her child because he was getting involved in gang activity. He called the cops and the mom asked the cop, do you see any bruises on this child? Do you prefer that I don't slap him or do you prefer that he shoots you when he gets to 18? The cop walked out the door and left the mom and the kid to work things out. I don't blame the mom or the cop for what they did but that does not mean that beating a child should be normal behavior and the way that you tell everyone that this is abnormal behavior is to make it illegal.
          Practical?

          In the USA there are a lot of unslapped - murderers, child molestors, rapists, etc...and there are more than enough mass murderers, arsonists...

          ........????? ...talk about corruption? The corruption that occurs in Jamaica is a joke compared to the corruption seen in the USA...mmmmmm??????

          I wonder if some of those corrupt individuals would be better citizens if their parents had delivered a little slap?
          "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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          • #6
            Abnormal and illegal but does not meant that they it should never ever be done - whats important is that the kid knows that is it abnormal.
            The same type of thinking that created a problem cannot be used to solve the problem.

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