So it appears like Obama "won" this Ukraine thingy

[HL]

The GOP were beating the war drum as usual. There's not a war they don't like.

If there is a 'winner'--it appears i would give the Ukraines' the upper hand.

Listened to Jon Kerry's speech. Putin does not have the overall support......
In Kiev, Kerry Takes Russia to Task and Pledges Aid ...

www.nytimes.com/2014/03/05/world/europe/secretary-of-state-john...
Mar 05, 2014 · KIEV, Ukraine — In a demonstration of support for Ukraine’s fledgling government and a new swipe at Russia, Secretary of State John Kerry visited Kiev ...

[Sir X]

I dont see any losers except the repugs.At first I though sanctions ,if they had a civil war,I dont see a civil war ,cooler heads have waded in.The German chancellor sure as hell doesnt want it ,also the french and the british are just quiet on it.

Like someone said,if the western europeans arent going to war over it ,why should we (America).It will all come down to maintaining the neo liberal consumerist world order,you call it capitalism without democracy.

[Bruce]

Nobody has won, yet. Round One is over and the combatants have gone back to their corners before the start of Round 2.

[Bruce]

Nobody has won, yet. Round 1 is over and the combatants have gone back to their corners before the start of Round 2.

[Hortical]

Its too early....

[Willi]

Europe needs Russian gas and the pipelines pass thru Ukraine....connek di dots...

[Willi]

Ukraine: the end game


On one level, the struggle over the Ukraine is a deadly US/EU/Russian game of territory, involving governments, intelligence agencies, corporations, and banks.

But at a higher level, as usual, sit the elite Globalist players. And their motives are different. They see every conflict as an opportunity to negotiate the aftermath.

And that negotiation produces a codified structure of cooperation between the enemies that is larger than the previous structure.

For example, there were banks and corporations (Standard Oil, ITT, IBM, etc.) who were aiding both sides in WW2. And in the aftermath, a much larger market for goods (Europe-US) was created.

The US government, in its European rebuilding efforts, made sure of that.

Post WW2, Europe itself started on the road toward creating the current European Union, which is a vast bureaucracy that sits over the entire continent.

This is the Globalist principle: instigate conflicts, in order to build larger cooperative structures in the aftermath. And control those cooperative structures.

That way, you put more people, land, resources, and labor under the umbrella.

There is only one exception. If either of the conflicting parties, in the aftermath, refuses to build those cooperative bridges, the Globalist scheme doesn't work.

So, vis-a-vis the Ukraine conflict, if Russia or the US, in the aftermath, says no to building new cooperative structures (either out in the open, or behind closed doors), that "defector" is now a Globalist target for further chaos and destabilization.

Until it relents and joins the Club.

Above the saber rattling and angry accusations, and characterizations of "a new Cold War," Ukraine is a pawn in the Globalist game of bringing Russian and US power players into closer accord---kicking and screaming, if necessary.

In accord, but not in a good way. In a Globalist way.

Because the Globalist agenda is a planet of One Nation, where all borders are ultimately erased, and the ruling class of money and corporate power and political torque is enthroned.

This program is neither Left nor Right. It hides behind exacerbated conflict between Left and Right.

It engenders a reality in which Left vs. Right appears to be the only political game in town.

But it isn't the only game.

You could call the Globalist agenda socialism, Communism, fascism, corporatism, liberal, conservative, and other names. And each one of those names would contain a kernel of truth. But in fact, Globalism is simply Control. From above. Period.

Yes, there must be certain issues on which the Left and Right disagree. There must be differences. And these issues must be hot. Hot enough to rally supporters who scream at each other across the barricades.

Because that is the kind of distraction Globalism needs to do its methodical work in secret.

If Ukraine follows the blueprint, at the end of the conflict, the US and Russia will be seething at each other. And then...a mediating figure will appear, perhaps from the Rockefeller camp.

And in a private meeting, he will say, "Boys, cool down. We have a plan. And in this plan, everybody wins. You'll all go home with something. Look. Look at this. And this. And this."

The peacemaker.

And then the new structure of cooperation will be larger than the previous structure.

And it will look good.

But the motive behind it will be: the taking of yet another step in the direction of welding together Planet Earth in one vast management system.

At the top of which sit the rulers.

As David Rockefeller wrote in his 2003 Memoirs:

"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure-one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

[Islandman]

Plutocrats. Nationalities mean nothing in that elite club.

[Don1]

Ukraine: the end game


On one level, the struggle over the Ukraine is a deadly US/EU/Russian game of territory, involving governments, intelligence agencies, corporations, and banks.

But at a higher level, as usual, sit the elite Globalist players. And their motives are different. They see every conflict as an opportunity to negotiate the aftermath.

And that negotiation produces a codified structure of cooperation between the enemies that is larger than the previous structure.

For example, there were banks and corporations (Standard Oil, ITT, IBM, etc.) who were aiding both sides in WW2. And in the aftermath, a much larger market for goods (Europe-US) was created.

The US government, in its European rebuilding efforts, made sure of that.

Post WW2, Europe itself started on the road toward creating the current European Union, which is a vast bureaucracy that sits over the entire continent.

This is the Globalist principle: instigate conflicts, in order to build larger cooperative structures in the aftermath. And control those cooperative structures.

That way, you put more people, land, resources, and labor under the umbrella.

There is only one exception. If either of the conflicting parties, in the aftermath, refuses to build those cooperative bridges, the Globalist scheme doesn't work.

So, vis-a-vis the Ukraine conflict, if Russia or the US, in the aftermath, says no to building new cooperative structures (either out in the open, or behind closed doors), that "defector" is now a Globalist target for further chaos and destabilization.

Until it relents and joins the Club.

Above the saber rattling and angry accusations, and characterizations of "a new Cold War," Ukraine is a pawn in the Globalist game of bringing Russian and US power players into closer accord---kicking and screaming, if necessary.

In accord, but not in a good way. In a Globalist way.

Because the Globalist agenda is a planet of One Nation, where all borders are ultimately erased, and the ruling class of money and corporate power and political torque is enthroned.

This program is neither Left nor Right. It hides behind exacerbated conflict between Left and Right.

It engenders a reality in which Left vs. Right appears to be the only political game in town.

But it isn't the only game.

You could call the Globalist agenda socialism, Communism, fascism, corporatism, liberal, conservative, and other names. And each one of those names would contain a kernel of truth. But in fact, Globalism is simply Control. From above. Period.

Yes, there must be certain issues on which the Left and Right disagree. There must be differences. And these issues must be hot. Hot enough to rally supporters who scream at each other across the barricades.

Because that is the kind of distraction Globalism needs to do its methodical work in secret.

If Ukraine follows the blueprint, at the end of the conflict, the US and Russia will be seething at each other. And then...a mediating figure will appear, perhaps from the Rockefeller camp.

And in a private meeting, he will say, "Boys, cool down. We have a plan. And in this plan, everybody wins. You'll all go home with something. Look. Look at this. And this. And this."

The peacemaker.

And then the new structure of cooperation will be larger than the previous structure.

And it will look good.

But the motive behind it will be: the taking of yet another step in the direction of welding together Planet Earth in one vast management system.

At the top of which sit the rulers.

As David Rockefeller wrote in his 2003 Memoirs:

"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure-one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

Mi nuh know why yuh love disturb people CNN/NBC/CBS/BBC Media Matrix Propaganda suh

Mek di Frog dem gwaan bwile inna peace nuh.... Ignorance = Bliss

[Sir X]

Stuart Hall echoed that post london riots, neo liberal consumerist society ,and he wrote frequently on it .Capitalism is a fraud ,it is the new world order,call it communisim, socialism, etc etc...Control of resources and goods for people to consume and corps by proxy governments to get rich, i.e Jamaica and the Hub !

After neoliberalism: analysing the present

Stuart Hall, Doreen Massey and Michael Rustin
http://www.lwbooks.co.uk/journals/so...sseyrustin.pdf

Jamaica isnt ready for this ,we still have a colonail mindset of doing business,we cede control of our natural resources for others to exploit it ,develop it and then proceed to beg for scraps.

[Hortical]

Obama administration moves to freeze Russian assets


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ets/?tid=sm_fb