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    Edward Snowden, Whistle-Blower

    By THE EDITORIAL BOARD

    Published: January 1, 2014 459 Comments

    Seven months ago, the world began to learn the vast scope of the National Security Agency’s reach into the lives of hundreds of millions of people in the United States and around the globe, as it collects information about their phone calls, their email messages, their friends and contacts, how they spend their days and where they spend their nights. The public learned in great detail how the agency has exceeded its mandate and abused its authority, prompting outrage at kitchen tables and at the desks of Congress, which may finally begin to limit these practices.

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    The revelations have already prompted two federal judges to accuse the N.S.A. of violating the Constitution (although a third, unfortunately, found the dragnet surveillance to be legal). A panel appointed by President Obama issued a powerful indictment of the agency’s invasions of privacy and called for a major overhaul of its operations.

    All of this is entirely because of information provided to journalists by Edward Snowden, the former N.S.A. contractor who stole a trove of highly classified documents after he became disillusioned with the agency’s voraciousness. Mr. Snowden is now living in Russia, on the run from American charges of espionage and theft, and he faces the prospect of spending the rest of his life looking over his shoulder.

    Considering the enormous value of the information he has revealed, and the abuses he has exposed, Mr. Snowden deserves better than a life of permanent exile, fear and flight. He may have committed a crime to do so, but he has done his country a great service. It is time for the United States to offer Mr. Snowden a plea bargain or some form of clemency that would allow him to return home, face at least substantially reduced punishment in light of his role as a whistle-blower, and have the hope of a life advocating for greater privacy and far stronger oversight of the runaway intelligence community.
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    Mr. Snowden is currently charged in a criminal complaint with two violations of the Espionage Act involving unauthorized communication of classified information, and a charge of theft of government property. Those three charges carry prison sentences of 10 years each, and when the case is presented to a grand jury for indictment, the government is virtually certain to add more charges, probably adding up to a life sentence that Mr. Snowden is understandably trying to avoid.

    The president said in August that Mr. Snowden should come home to face those charges in court and suggested that if Mr. Snowden had wanted to avoid criminal charges he could have simply told his superiors about the abuses, acting, in other words, as a whistle-blower.

    “If the concern was that somehow this was the only way to get this information out to the public, I signed an executive order well before Mr. Snowden leaked this information that provided whistle-blower protection to the intelligence community for the first time,” Mr. Obama said at a news conference. “So there were other avenues available for somebody whose conscience was stirred and thought that they needed to question government actions.”

    In fact, that executive order did not apply to contractors, only to intelligence employees, rendering its protections useless to Mr. Snowden. More important, Mr. Snowden told The Washington Post earlier this month that he did report his misgivings to two superiors at the agency, showing them the volume of data collected by the N.S.A., and that they took no action. (The N.S.A. says there is no evidence of this.) That’s almost certainly because the agency and its leaders don’t consider these collection programs to be an abuse and would never have acted on Mr. Snowden’s concerns.

    In retrospect, Mr. Snowden was clearly justified in believing that the only way to blow the whistle on this kind of intelligence-gathering was to expose it to the public and let the resulting furor do the work his superiors would not. Beyond the mass collection of phone and Internet data, consider just a few of the violations he revealed or the legal actions he provoked:
    ■ The N.S.A. broke federal privacy laws, or exceeded its authority, thousands of times per year, according to the agency’s own internal auditor.

    ■ The agency broke into the communications links of major data centers around the world, allowing it to spy on hundreds of millions of user accounts and infuriating the Internet companies that own the centers. Many of those companies are now scrambling to install systems that the N.S.A. cannot yet penetrate.

    ■ The N.S.A. systematically undermined the basic encryption systems of the Internet, making it impossible to know if sensitive banking or medical data is truly private, damaging businesses that depended on this trust.

    ■ His leaks revealed that James Clapper Jr., the director of national intelligence, lied to Congress when testifying in March that the N.S.A. was not collecting data on millions of Americans. (There has been no discussion of punishment for that lie.)

    ■ The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court rebuked the N.S.A. for repeatedly providing misleading information about its surveillance practices, according to a ruling made public because of the Snowden documents. One of the practices violated the Constitution, according to the chief judge of the court.

    ■ A federal district judge ruled earlier this month that the phone-records-collection program probably violates the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution. He called the program “almost Orwellian” and said there was no evidence that it stopped any imminent act of terror.

    The shrill brigade of his critics say Mr. Snowden has done profound damage to intelligence operations of the United States, but none has presented the slightest proof that his disclosures really hurt the nation’s security. Many of the mass-collection programs Mr. Snowden exposed would work just as well if they were reduced in scope and brought under strict outside oversight, as the presidential panel recommended.

    When someone reveals that government officials have routinely and deliberately broken the law, that person should not face life in prison at the hands of the same government. That’s why Rick Ledgett, who leads the N.S.A.’s task force on the Snowden leaks, recently told CBS News that he would consider amnesty if Mr. Snowden would stop any additional leaks. And it’s why President Obama should tell his aides to begin finding a way to end Mr. Snowden’s vilification and give him an incentive to return home.
    Last edited by Karl; January 2, 2014, 01:28 PM.
    Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else - Vince Lombardi

  • #2
    Not at all....

    He deserves a Presidential Medal of Honor
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    • #3
      Snowdoen deserves criminal prosecution as traitor.

      In retrospect, Mr. Snowden was clearly justified in believing that the only way to blow the whistle on this kind of intelligence-gathering was to expose it to the public and let the resulting furor do the work his superiors would not.
      Sure he is free to believe whatever he believes. ...and he may just be correct in his belief.

      Being justified in disseminating the info and evidence of same is an entirely different matter.

      Beyond the mass collection of phone and Internet data, consider just a few of the violations he revealed or the legal actions he provoked:
      ■ The N.S.A. broke federal privacy laws, or exceeded its authority, thousands of times per year, according to the agency’s own internal auditor.

      ■ The agency broke into the communications links of major data centers around the world, allowing it to spy on hundreds of millions of user accounts and infuriating the Internet companies that own the centers. Many of those companies are now scrambling to install systems that the N.S.A. cannot yet penetrate.

      ■ The N.S.A. systematically undermined the basic encryption systems of the Internet, making it impossible to know if sensitive banking or medical data is truly private, damaging businesses that depended on this trust.

      ■ His leaks revealed that James Clapper Jr., the director of national intelligence, lied to Congress when testifying in March that the N.S.A. was not collecting data on millions of Americans. (There has been no discussion of punishment for that lie.)

      ■ The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court rebuked the N.S.A. for repeatedly providing misleading information about its surveillance practices, according to a ruling made public because of the Snowden documents. One of the practices violated the Constitution, according to the chief judge of the court.

      ■ A federal district judge ruled earlier this month that the phone-records-collection program probably violates the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution. He called the program “almost Orwellian” and said there was no evidence that it stopped any imminent act of terror.

      The shrill brigade of his critics say Mr. Snowden has done profound damage to intelligence operations of the United States, but none has presented the slightest proof that his disclosures really hurt the nation’s security. Many of the mass-collection programs Mr. Snowden exposed would work just as well if they were reduced in scope and brought under strict outside oversight, as the presidential panel recommended.
      Nuh! Nuh! Nuh! nuh, nuh, nuh! (admonition - finger wagging and shaking of head from side to side - act of disapproval and castigation).

      When someone reveals that government officials have routinely and deliberately broken the law, that person should not face life in prison at the hands of the same government. That’s why Rick Ledgett, who leads the N.S.A.’s task force on the Snowden leaks, recently told CBS News that he would consider amnesty if Mr. Snowden would stop any additional leaks. And it’s why President Obama should tell his aides to begin finding a way to end Mr. Snowden’s vilification and give him an incentive to return home.
      Are there laws that give authority to a government and in this specific case the Gov. of the USA to spy on individuals and 'other countries'?

      If yes, how can it ever be possible to spy on any one country's officials and agencies or on any one individual and not 'sweep up' and spy on each and every officials and agency or entity in that country or on any individual with links to the targeted individual?

      Would it not then be impossible to spy on the targeted country or individual? ..."no one is an 'island"? ...no one can act or carry out an act without interacting with others or entities?

      Look what the so-called 'logic' wants us to assume is that the impossible is possible. That it is possible to spy on a country's officials and agencies or on an individual without learning or gathering information on others. Makes no damn sense to me.

      It would be like spying on me to learn everything on or about my actions so as to be able to determine if my intentions or actions would cause harm to anyone while ensuring you do not learn anything about who or with which entities I interact.

      Imagine these persons expressing moral outrage wish us to believe that it is possible to observe you and block out 'the world'? ...but even if that absurd possibility is entertained - How does...not knowing where you resided, visited, persons or entities you interacted, etc., etc. tell anything on or about you? How then does one know you intentions? How does one know you exist? How would one know if that one - who in the impossible world that those crazies which us to accept as real - means us harm?


      Nuh! Nuh! Nuh! nuh, nuh, nuh! (admonition - finger wagging and shaking of head from side to side - act of disapproval and castigation). Nuh badda wid dat!!!!
      Last edited by Karl; January 2, 2014, 07:44 PM.
      "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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      • #4
        Karl you are so backward on this subject and gullible re government misinformation... it is quite remarkable

        It may be too late for you to exit the Matrix
        TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

        Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

        D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Don1 View Post
          Karl you are so backward on this subject and gullible re government misinformation... it is quite remarkable

          It may be too late for you to exit the Matrix
          Backward and Gullible?
          Maybe backward on, to use Lazie's pet phrase, 'keeping it real'.
          ...but Gullible/easily duped? I would think not!

          Perhaps you think the world is made up of only 'good people' and there is never a need for our governments to 'spy'? ...but I do not. I think that for our safety and in our self-interest our governments, must!

          ...and anyone who provides our enemies with the methods we use must be severely punished. 'Family' is everything...and those who betray 'the family' are lowest of low.

          btw - I think you are naïve to ways of security forces. They all spy. It is how they exist. Watch and Observe? (Ever heard of that term? ...and really think on what it means?) ...and compile and sift through the information collected and use same in best interest of the citizenry.

          Coming with our allowing our security forces such awesome powers is the realization that man being man...some within such may misuse their powers...fail to live up to their responsibilities. There are internal mechanisms to protect against such abuses. However it would be infantile to even think of giving up the specific act/tool of spying!

          Aside: Do not tell me you now wish to disband our security forces? ...believing it is all for our greater good?
          "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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          • #6
            Karl,

            There is spying and there is spying... are you comfortable that the government knows every intimate detail of YOUR life; PRIVACY will only be a concept, no longer a reality, if it isn't already so..
            Peter R

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Peter R View Post
              Karl,

              There is spying and there is spying... are you comfortable that the government knows every intimate detail of YOUR life; PRIVACY will only be a concept, no longer a reality, if it isn't already so..
              I am not uncomfortable!
              ...cannot waste time with such.

              Which brings me to ask two things: Are you - assuming you are uncomfortable with 'the government' knowing 'all' about you - comfortable with your neighbor being able to know everything about you?

              ...recognizing he/she can here in the good ole USA?
              "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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              • #8
                Karl, Do you remember a TV series called "The Prisoner"? Do you want to be reduced to a number? When the "powers that be" become all-controlling that's what you and I will be reduced to. All those accepting of their numbered status will mindlessly stroll about in ignorant bliss. So I see it. That's where we are headed if you accept the intrusion into every aspect of your daily life. Sad.
                Peter R

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                • #9
                  Karl, did you know NSA employees spied on their partners?

                  Karl, did you know NSA employees spied on their love partners? Maybe this gov't overreaching in the name of national security works for you. There was time when US gov't propped up abusive dictators in Brazil, Argentina & Iran etc, who abused and killed opposition members in the name of fighting communism. The excuse back then was the cold war, and now it is terrorism.

                  Employees of the U.S. National Security Agency spied on "unfaithful" husbands, boyfriends and girlfriends using surveillance technology of the agency, according to a letter from the NSA to a U.S. Senator.
                  http://www.pcworld.com/article/20501...oved-ones.html
                  Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else - Vince Lombardi

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Peter R View Post
                    Karl, Do you remember a TV series called "The Prisoner"? Do you want to be reduced to a number? When the "powers that be" become all-controlling that's what you and I will be reduced to. All those accepting of their numbered status will mindlessly stroll about in ignorant bliss. So I see it. That's where we are headed if you accept the intrusion into every aspect of your daily life. Sad.
                    You confuse knowing all about you that can be known=controlling/seeding control/or even being able to control!

                    If there is one thing mankind's history has shown we cannot be controlled. ...in a real sense we cannot be controlled.

                    Let us go one step further on each of us, in a real sense - We like to believe we know all about ourselves but we do not! ...how then can any other person or an entity so do?


                    We could run a 'memory test' on self.
                    ..at 18 did you know exactly where you would be today='all about your current self'? ...or even the sum total of the experiences you had a nanosecond ago - and how that shapes (shall shape) future actions???

                    Do you know where you shall be tomorrow?

                    btw - "Where you (I) are today" loosely termed definition as "place you (I) are(am) in" as in "Where you are (I am) today makes you (me) at peace with who yourself (I am)" type used phrase. A phrase that gives the lie to itself as it does not suppose your circumstance shall or can precipitously or dramatically change.

                    We always instinctively assume that over time our 'life'/circumstance shall be on same even keel or change for the better.


                    Truth is we each have not a clue...although we are 'sure' we know.
                    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                    • #11
                      My issue is that Snowden went over to the 'enemy' to seek refuge.

                      Is he leaking secrets to them? I am almost sure they are not giving him room and board for nothing. I hope he is uncomfortable as possible in the siberian winter...thinking about the fine things he is missing at 'home'.
                      The only time TRUTH will hurt you...is if you ignore it long enough

                      HL

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hortical View Post
                        Karl, did you know NSA employees spied on their love partners? Maybe this gov't overreaching in the name of national security works for you.

                        http://www.pcworld.com/article/20501...oved-ones.html
                        Even if I never knew...and I did...commonsense would dictate some would!
                        Man is man, is man!

                        Do you know often employees of your bank who find you interesting take 'prips' at your accounts? They are not supposed to so do! ...but????

                        ...or your neighbours can pay for a complete dossier on your life???
                        Movement, travels, relatives, credit score, criminal record, etc? etc? ...and perhaps, is paying for monthly updates?

                        Such that as the saying goes, 'they know you better than you do yourself'?
                        Do you waste time worrying on same?

                        ...but let me try to keep a straight face as I point you again to your punch-line:
                        Maybe this gov't overreaching in the name of national security works for you.


                        Where does rogue workers prying on others intersect with "the government" trying to keep us safe?

                        Anyway I know your 'brain' and pen slipped on that one!



                        There was time when US gov't propped up abusive dictators in Brazil, Argentina & Iran etc, who abused and killed opposition members in the name of fighting communism. The excuse back then was the cold war, and now it is terrorism.

                        http://www.pcworld.com/article/20501...oved-ones.html
                        Fact: The history of man is replete with cases of large imperial nations propping up dictators and tyrants in their own self-interest.

                        Have you forgotten the apartheid regime of South Africa? ...and the history of colonization by England, France, Spain and Portugal?

                        It still goes on!!!! ...that marriage with despots and tyrants!

                        Why would you not think in a world where a country has the tools to advance self-interest it would not use those tools?

                        Hortical the key is not using the tools in an abusive way...restricting abuse of powers.

                        Listen carefully to Edward Snowden - He has used the tools to abuse the entire US...and because a lot of info is that gathered on 'our friends' (friendly nations/allies) their secrets are also exposed. 'Our friends' assets are also compromised...it is just that the USA plays that down and the others - (the friends) - are unwilling to draw attention to same.

                        The big boys, the not so big boys and the little boys all know what is going on and it is in their interest to not draw attention to themselves.

                        Snowden tries to play us for fools.
                        a) He says he has not released any secrets;

                        b) He says he has released secrets;

                        c) He claims he could sell what he has...and implies that he could have sold it for 'tons';

                        d) Does he have a buyer?
                        ...or has the international community tacitly agreed to not buy? Is it, he has no takers? After all not even the media houses have reason to buy as he has already gone out on a limb to claim he shall release everything.

                        Is he dead man walking? Is it only the USA he has to fear or could even Russia want him off their soil before doing him in? Is he going to have an accident?

                        btw - Please tie the immediate above in with trying to find and keep at bay those who wish us harm and also with the gathering of intelligence to advance our economic well-being?

                        Yes, enemies' assets are also compromised. So a lot of known whereabouts and activities of individuals and entities are loss as 'everyone' is 'scrambling to move and replace assets'.

                        Snowden? That r@#*&^%$$$?

                        You shall hear more on more about other US operatives in various parts of the world being unearthed. Persons who have disappeared years past will suddenly have no value as 'they have been made'...and now need to come home? Lots of what could be 'sounds and furry' are being buried under cash!!!!

                        It certainly pricked my mind when suddenly persons missing for years sudden have their families coming forward wishing them home...claiming the government of the USA had abandoned them? Where were those families all the years they were missing?

                        Snowden? That r@#%^&*&^%$$!?
                        Last edited by Karl; January 4, 2014, 08:50 PM.
                        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                        • #13
                          HL: You are in my camp!!!
                          ...and not that we do not know that all the 'big boys' are already spying on us but there is something that goes against the grain 'betraying the family'

                          On a light note: What would the Godfather, Don Corleone, say about that and what would he do???

                          btw - Snowden said, he is leaking everything...and he also says, he is leaking no secrets!

                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yB3n9fu-rM
                          Last edited by Karl; January 2, 2014, 08:29 PM.
                          "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                          • #14
                            We are on the same page with him going to the enemy.
                            Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else - Vince Lombardi

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                            • #15
                              How many multi-billions of dollars do you think it is

                              costing the government to change and restructure everything - move assets - physical, human, electronic, etc?
                              "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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