Anatomy of the JSF: A US$1Trillion Mistake

[Don1]

Gwaan Ben!!

Garrulous Rum Barist vs Professional Aeronautical Scientists

WOW!! What a matchup!! It's a doozy!!

Woooiiieee mi spleen!!

[Muadib]

Yuh is a real claffy..

USA have 5th generation fightah in operation for 10 years... Chiney version not operational and won't be for annedah 7 years..if at all !.. FAIL...

There is no Chinese superiority in Aeronautical Technology.. dem not even a mek dem owna engine to rath..

There is ZERO evidence that Chinese 5th Gen plane dem are operationally superior to Babylon plane dem.. and any discussion regarding is pure speculation..

While dem a copy 5th Gen.. DARPA a work pon 6th Gen...

Now.. stop being obtuse... update us when dem have an operational 5th Gen.. until den stap yuh yapping !

[Don1]

Yuh is a real claffy..

disagree

USA have 5th generation fightah in operation for 10 years... Chiney version not operational and won't be for annedah 7 years..if at all !.. FAIL..

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The F-22 is flawed, too risky for warfare so far and overly expensive...and has been terminated at A MERE 187 units

Not a good look

There is no Chinese superiority in Aeronautical Technology.. dem not even a mek dem owna engine to rath..

There is no claim made here of generalized "Chinese superiority in Aeronautical Technology"... you're misguided

All Willi tell unnu dat areddy..

There is ZERO evidence that Chinese 5th Gen plane dem are operationally superior to Babylon plane dem.. and any discussion regarding is pure speculation..

You are a neophyte unlettered in aeronautics whose opinion has no value
I take the counsel of experts in the field...not Rum Bar denizens

While dem a copy 5th Gen.. DARPA a work pon 6th Gen...

Yep... By terminating production the US has effectively scrapped F-22 as an important 5th Gen upgrade path and is currently committed to a F-35 path with a build of ~2500 units planned....yes that same plane that RAND wargaming and other expert technical analyses found to be an expensive Turkey

So the US, Russia & China are all currently testing their core 5th Gen planes and also 6th Gen "concepts" i.e. mathematical models (tell Jawge please)

Now.. stop being obtuse... update us when dem have an operational 5th Gen.. until den stap yuh yapping !

The MAIN argument is regarding technology trajectory... not "operational 5th Gen planes".. that's the classic Chemical Ben red herring bait n switch

On the trajectory issue I take note of expert opinion.... Rum Bar contributors making silly comments are mere amusement

Doan tap atall Ben...woooiiee

[Muadib]

Trajectory... the Trajectory is what one would expect when you are innovating and others are following...

Your rather quixotic opinion that somehow trajectory in follow the leader automatically translates to an ability to surpass is misguided.

Either you do not respect the American War Machine or you are caught in a childish 'Babylon Fall' mentality..

The question is not what the Chinese will or can do.. the question is what the USA cannot or will not do to preserve their Air Supremacy.. that is the deciding factor... now focus your 'thesis' on that..

[Don1]

The Trajectory:

1984: China is unable to produce ANY sort of modern aircraft

2014: China produces a military aircraft which some experts believe is superior to the main US 5th Gen model.. by copying the good elements but avoiding the huge mistakes

2034 (after China is the World's largest economy): worries

Aeronautics Experts 6 ..... Rum Bar Yappers 0

woooiiiee mi clavicle!!!!

[Karl]

The only hitch is the US (military) releases technology that it has moved eons beyond!

...an important model would be timing of release to the public of the telecommunication device which the public recognizes best as the *'Nextel phone/GPS/video display' technology. However, when released the US (military) it was claimed had vastly superior devices to perform similar functions and more.

*When released coverage was world-wide and positioning was accurate to within 7 feet...voice transmission/reception was virtually instantaneous/nano-seconds from nearest 'relay station' or base station.

[Muadib]

Your yapping has nothing to do with Aeronautics..

What is China's current position in terms of Economy ?

How much does China spend relative to the US on their Military ?

'Copying the good elements but avoiding the huge mistakes'

You have just proved my point.. thanks.. copying implies ?

Poor ting..

[Don1]

Copying implies they're smart to save time, money and stupid errors like the F-35 Turkey

Just as the US copied rocketry and jet tech from Germany and stealth tech from the Russians

Happens all the time Ben...hush

[Muadib]

um no.. copying means they are behind...

DonZero.. stop being profound.. Babylon yuh live.. actions speak louder dan words...

If you seriously believe the cute 'China shall kill the beast' commentary you are regurgitating.. well.. mi cyaan help yuh.. all mi can advise yuh is nuh put nuh money pon it...

[Don1]

You're delusional... I said no such drivel

Copying means they're behind but have the intent of getting parity or surpassing those ahead in the quickest and least costly way i.e. saving time & money...just as the US & Russia did by stealing German tech

Hush