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  • Jamaicans Need Trinidad More

    My View: We could argue all we want, but the simple fact is that our economy has reached the state where Jamaica needs Trinidad and Tobago more than they need us. (And our constant chatter about Jamaica having the largest market is rubbish, as Haiti, the 15th CARICOM member, has a much larger population than Jamaica.)

    Jamaican workers in low-paying jobs in Trinidad and Tobago can easily be replaced by Guyanese workers (they would be only too happy to leave unfriendly Barbados alone) or unemployed workers from other Eastern Caribbean states, which are almost all facing economic problems.

    T&T Job Magnet - Jamaicans Drawn To Employment Opportunities In Twin-Island Republic

    Published: Monday | December 23, 2013
    Gary Spaulding, Senior Gleaner Writer


    Trinidad and Tobago - the twin-island republic in the eastern Caribbean - is truly the great Caribbean lure for Jamaican job seekers, and the signs are there for all to see.

    And it appears that Jamaican workers, some without work permits, are being welcomed with open arms by many employers, despite pronouncements from some Trinidadians in high places.

    The availability of jobs in some sectors in T&T, albeit at the lower income levels, has rendered the twin-island republic a great lure for Jamaicans as well as nationals of other CARICOM states.

    As Jamaica wrestles with an unemployment rate of 16 per cent in an ailing economy, the unemployment rate of its Caribbean neighbour stands at an enviable four per cent, and many of its nationals are not interested in the numerous low-paying jobs that are available.

    "Almost full employment," declared David Frazer, a veteran journalist in T&T.

    "The general lure to Trinidad is employment opportunities at the lower levels or the lower- wage jobs, which Trinidadians find it difficult to accept," Frazer told The Gleaner during the newspaper's visit to Port-of-Spain last week.

    "So it is not that the Jamaicans are coming and finding it difficult to get jobs."

    T&T's National Security Minister Gary Griffith has said that 17,000 undocumented Jamaicans are in the country, but while Frazer agreed with the number, he suggested that these Jamaicans were serving a useful purpose.

    "Trinidadians look for higher-end benefits based on tertiary-level enrolment," said Frazer. "In fact, employers in Trinidad and Tobago are left with little or no alternative but to hire them (Jamaicans) as our nationals are just not taking up these jobs."

    Frazer suggested that Trinidad also had a very strong welfare structure to assist the unemployed. "So unemployment is not a major issue," he explained.

    It is an open secret that Jamaicans are in demand in T&T. The sentiments that Jamaicans are among the hardest workers in the country were echoed by others, including journalist Sieudath Persad.

    They gushed that Jamaicans worked best - not even taking a holiday when they are on the job - a far cry from many Trinidadians on that country's industrial radar.

    The telltale signs of a country urgently in need of workers are plastered on the doors and windows of many stores, fast-food outlets, and other business establishments. On the heavily commercialised Frederick Street in the heart of Port-of-Spain, T&T's capital, at a store called Shoe Land, a sign stated: "Experienced Supervisor wanted".

    Metres away, three signs were posted on the walls of the Trincity Mall advertising vacancies for sales clerks, male workers, and administrative workers.

    The popular KFC fast-food outlet nearby was not to be left out of the clamour for workers. The employment-offer posters were just about everywhere.

    But what is even more wonderful for some Jamaicans is that despite the less-than-welcoming tones of some public officials and even Government members, other Trinidadian are welcoming.

    "Jamaicans need jobs, and Trinidadian employers love having them around."

    That is the often repeated sentiment of the people on the ground.

    Persad charged that some government policies had spoilt T&T workers by establishing jobs in special projects and community-enhancing work in which they earn big bucks over short periods.

    He told The Gleaner that construction workers in Trinidad are not willing to take a pay cut after the construction boom a few years ago.

    According to Persad, Jamaicans harbour no such lofty expectations.

    "To be frank, Jamaican workers are not problematic. By and large, Jamaican workers are good," said Persad. "And there has been no issue with criminality," he added.

    To this end, Frazer warned that T&T needed to pay closer attention to its employment issues.

    He said critical areas such as administrative staff, security officers, solid waste, and waste-removal industry (garbage men) workers, as well as fast-food outlets and manufacturing operations need access to a cadre of younger workers who are not in high supply in Trinidad.

    Frazer, who has experience in T&T's governance systems, stressed that the disincentive is that because Jamaicans will do the jobs, it doesn't place pressure on wages because there is an available source of labour.

    gary.spaulding@gleanerjm.com


    Story link: http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/2...ead/lead1.html


  • #2
    that is rubbish.
    Trinidad has $700 million US at stake. no doubt who needs who more.

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    • #3
      you can't look on life that way. Yes there are opportunities in Trinidad but Jamaicans need Jamaica more. If we just decide to become productive we don't need anybody. We can and will have relationships yes, but need, NO.
      • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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      • #4
        hey, you have a lot to learn!

        Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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        • #5
          Why is Jamaica not productive?

          Is Jamaica friendly to business?

          How can the Diaspora set up shop?

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          • #6
            Jamaica must be among the most difficult places to "set up shop". Fix that first and let's see what happens.


            BLACK LIVES MATTER

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            • #7
              You Are Correct, 'Sass

              Originally posted by Assasin View Post
              you can't look on life that way. Yes there are opportunities in Trinidad but Jamaicans need Jamaica more. If we just decide to become productive we don't need anybody. We can and will have relationships yes, but need, NO.
              But I agree with you’ve said here, ‘Sass. My sensationalism-leaning headline was meant to grab attention in the most direct way, and it did. At the same time, I meant what I said in the context of the realities of our present time: “Jamaicans need Trinidad more than they need us!”

              However, you are absolutely correct that “Jamaicans need Jamaica more,” except that, as TDowl quite sensibly asked above, “Why is Jamaica not productive?” Jamaica’s production levels have been falling for decades, more so since the early 1990s. In that context, a wide variety of countries have been providing a “cushioning effect” by absorbing Jamaican workers. We are damn lucky for this!

              Our flawed argument regarding Trinidad has always been that they need us more, because we have the largest CARICOM market. However, Haiti, a full member of CARICOM, like Jamaica has a large market with a population more than three times that of Jamaica! The markets are also basically similar, with a very small middle class and a large poor, in many cases impoverished lower class.

              Trinidad, on the other hand, CAN get good workers from throughout the length and breadth of the Caribbean, and also from its fellow CARICOM members Guyana and Suriname (in South America) and Belize (in Central America). These three mentioned mainland CARICOM countries are even poorer than Jamaica!

              Finally, look what has happened to Grenada, and what is even now happening in Barbados. If Jamaicans should stop going to Trinidad tomorrow, I am willing to stake a large claim that the loss would be eventually recovered with migrants from the Eastern Caribbean and from the mainland.


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              • #8
                I don't know if it can be "fixed first" , meaning that many of the things that make it difficult to do business in are part and parcel of the breakdown of the whole society. Things like crime, indiscipline, corruption.

                Jamaicans and friends of Jamaica will first have to find a way to break the downward spiral through hard work and sacrifice.
                "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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                • #9
                  and the general attitude towards business have to be changed. The idea that all businessmen are rich and cans stand drainage cause them have money. The idea that all business men are downright "wicked" and want to rape the community.
                  • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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                  • #10
                    Historian but you are only looking on it from the perspective of the migrant workers.

                    Trinidad businesses do sell a lot of products in Jamaica. If that was cut off from them there would be an economic impact.

                    As to who needs who more I cannot say but I don't see much benefit to Jamaica from a boycott.

                    Makes more sense to negotiate a better deal. The question that needs to be asked is why that is not happening.
                    "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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                    • #11
                      some of those can be fixed .... whatever system you have in place corruption is there or thereabouts depending on the personnel right along the chain.

                      it is my opinion that making it difficult to set up shop aids and abets corruption. so if the process were to be simplified it would be more transparent.

                      Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                      • #12
                        The question that needs to be asked is why that is not happening. indeed I-man, indeed!

                        Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Historian View Post

                          Our flawed argument regarding Trinidad has always been that they need us more, because we have the largest CARICOM market. However, Haiti, a full member of CARICOM, like Jamaica has a large market with a population more than three times that of Jamaica!
                          Doesn't it have to do more with the purchasing power of the market and not just size?


                          BLACK LIVES MATTER

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                          • #14
                            True. My point is that many of our major problems are intertwined in a way that makes it difficult to pick one to fix first . We need more of a holistic approach based around community building.

                            But yes there are certain obvious places to start like removing red tape and looking into new and innovative approaches to deliver a quality education to our youth in an affordable way. Doesn't have to be all government initiated and funded either. In fact it is probably better if if it is not.

                            In short solutions are possible if we use up we brain and our collective resources.
                            "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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                            • #15
                              We can't take boycott out of the mix. Trinidad has failed to follow through on too many of the agreement they signed.

                              We are saying it will impact us more but I am not sure. If we have leadership it won't. It could possible give us an opportunity to fill some of the void in producing some of the very basic things we can. I can't see why we import some of the stuff we do from Trinidad. Nothing but laziness.
                              • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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