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    House cancels vote on plan to reopen government

    By Jerry Markon, Lori Montgomery and Rosalind S. Helderman, Updated: Tuesday, October 15, 7:05 PM

    The Republican-controlled House canceled a planned vote Tuesday night on a plan to reopen the federal government and raise the debt ceiling after support from conservatives for the deal crumbled, leaving Washington without a clear path forward for avoiding a first-ever default on the nation’s debt.

    "We are done for the night," Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) told the Washington Post

    It was already far from clear if the Republican proposal could attract enough support in the Democratic-controlled Senate to end Washington’s political crisis. The plan contains several provisions that Democrats have strongly opposed.

    The influential conservative group Heritage Action also opposed the House proposal soon after it was announced, and conservatives close to the House leadership expressed alarm that they had shut down the government and would get nothing for it except a punitive measure restricting their own staff’s healthcare, according to senior House Republican aides.

    “I’ve got one vote and I’m a no,” Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) said as he left a meeting with House Speaker John Boehner’s (R-Ohio) leadership team.

    The stunning turnaround could represent yet another rebuke to Boehner, whose previous efforts at compromise have been thwarted by his party’s right flank. And with the U.S. Treasury set to exhaust its ability to borrow money on Thursday, Fitch Ratings, a credit rating agency, announced Tuesday that it was accelerating its timetable for a potential U.S. credit rating downgrade, among the first concrete effects of the standoff. If Fitch follows through, it would become the second credit rating firm to downgrade U.S. government debt, potentially triggering ripple effects across a range of financial markets.

    “Political brinkmanship and reduced financing flexibility could increase the risk of a U.S. default,” Fitch said late Tuesday. “The U.S. risks being forced to incur widespread delays of payments to suppliers and employees, as well as Social Security payments to citizens — all of which would damage the perception of U.S. sovereign creditworthiness and the economy.”

    Fitch’s announcment followed a day of declining optimism about efforts to resolve the crisis, , as Democrats and Republicans began attacking each other again and the White House said negotiators remained “far from a deal.’’

    Just a day earlier, Senate leaders had been closing in a deal to end the two-week-old government shutdown, extend borrowing authority until Feb. 7 and fund federal agencies for three months. But the bipartisan Senate talks were put on hold Tuesday as negotiators awaited a plan from the Republican-led House.

    Even the inklings of a House proposal that emerged earlier Tuesday drew immediate condemnation from Democrats, primarily because the plan would include significant changes to President Obama’s signature health-care law.

    Unlike the Senate proposal, the House plan originally included a two-year repeal of a medical device tax and a provision eliminating the employer health-care contribution for members of Congress and White House officials.

    Later Tuesday, House Republicans regrouped around the new version of their bill, which dropped the medical device tax provision, and officials said they would bring it the House floor tonight, but later changed their minds. The new proposal was also unlikely to win bipartisan support, in part because it would fund federal agencies only through Dec. 15, creating the threat of another government shutdown just before Christmas.
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    The House’s efforts have attacted derision from Democrats, who were holding firm in their opposition to what they characterized as GOP efforts to extract concessions in exchange for ensuring the nation’s fiscal health.

    “It’s nothing more than a blatant attack on bipartisanship,” Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) said of the first House proposal. Democrats, he added, “felt blindsided” by the House plan saying that it could sabotage the Senate talks.

    If the renewed standoff is not resolved, it could threaten the Treasury Department’s ability to balance the nation’s financial books as early as Thursday, according to government officials and independent analysts. By then, the government would essentially be running on fumes, unable to borrow money from various sources.

    Sometime next week, the Treasury would likely run short of cash, potentially imperiling some Social Security and other major payments, officials and analysts said. The nation’s first default on its debt could follow on Oct. 31, when the government could miss $6 billion in interest payments.

    Despite the Obama administration’s warnings that breaching the debt ceiling Thursday could trigger a default and cause drastic economic consequences, a new Pew Research Center poll shows that a majority of Republicans and many independents don’t feel the same urgency. The poll shows 52 percent of Republicans, 38 percent of independents and 36 percent of Americans overall say the country can break the deadline without major economic problems.

    Some congressional Republicans also have said the government can still pay interest on its loans even if the debt ceiling isn’t raised. White House Press Secretary Jay Carney on Tuesday labeled these Republicans “default deniers.”
    The new House Republican proposal would raise the debt limit through Feb. 7, as Senate negotiators had planned. But in addition to denying employer subsidies to lawmakers and members of the executive branch, conservatives insisted on denying those subsidies to their own congressional staffs as well.

    That could be another obstacle if Republicans manage to pass the measure and send it to the Democratic-controlled Senate, because Reid has voiced strong objections to ending employer health subsidies for congressional staff.

    Republicans also adjusted another proposal to make clear that the Treasury Department would be only temporarily barred from using extraordinary measures to juggle the nation’s books if the Feb. 7 deadline were breached.

    But Democrats are insisting that the Treasury Department maintain flexibility to manage the next debt-limit deadline.

    The reaction to the first House plan — the one that contained the new-dropped medical device tax repeal — illustrated Boehner’s difficulties in coralling support from his restive members.

    Senior leadership aides and some lawmakers said a meeting to discuss that plan did not go well, with one Republican saying the “response was tepid” when Boehner laid out the proposal. “It’s going to be a hell of a time” to get to 217, this lawmaker said. “It’s going to be dicey.”

    Boehner said late Tuesday morning that he was talking to lawmakers from both parties to find “a way forward” and was keenly aware that the nation was very close to reaching the limits of its borrowing authority. “I have made clear for months and months that the idea of default is wrong and we shouldn’t get anywhere close to it,” Boehner said.

    The potentially stark consequences of failure did not seem to be moving negotiations along Tuesday, and the path forward was unclear.

    White House spokesman Jay Carney said the president remains “encouraged by the progress that we’ve seen in the Senate, but we’re far from a deal at this point. And so we hope that — we hope that progress continues.’’
    The White House said Obama would meet with House Democratic leaders on Tuesday afternoon.

    If Democratic lawmakers refuse to support either House Republican proposal, the bill would need votes from all but 15 of the 232 Republican lawmakers.

    Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) said many lawmakers from his party have “sincere, deep concerns” with the earlier House plan. For example, he noted that while he is willing to vote to reopen the federal government, which has been closed since Oct. 1, he said he has not voted to raise the debt ceiling since 1997 and has vowed never to do so again.

    Others wanted the bill to include spending cuts or entitlement reforms. Rep. John Fleming (R-La.) said some members were seeking to add the “conscience clause” to the proposal--removing a provision under the federal health care law that requires insurance plans to cover contraception.

    And other members objected to accepting the key Jan. 15 and Feb. 7 dates envisioned in Senate negotiations. “There was a lot of discussion of dates. A lot,” said Rep. Phil Roe (R-Tenn.).

    Reid said he thought Boehner was trying to put forward the House proposal as way to pacify conservatives in his party whose support he needs in order to remain speaker. “I’m very disappointed with John Boehner, who would once again try to preserve his role at the expense of the country,” Reid said.

    House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) accused Republicans of “sabotaging a good-faith bipartisan effort coming out of the Senate.”

    Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-Calif.) said Republicans were on the verge of “shutting down the economy” as well as the government “simply because there’s a family feud” going on within their ranks.

    Under the Senate proposal, once the government is reopened, policymakers would launch a new round of talks over broader budget issues in hopes of developing a plan to replace deep automatic spending cuts known as the sequester before Jan. 15. That is when the next round of sequester cuts is scheduled to slice an additional $20 billion out of agency budgets, primarily from the Pentagon.

    The Senate framework includes only minor changes to the health-care law, falling well short of defunding it or delaying major provisions, as conservative Republicans are seeking. Instead, Republicans would get new safeguards to ensure that people who receive federal subsidies to purchase health insurance under the law are eligible to receive them. The House bill would also require income verification for individuals and families receiving subsidies for health insurance.

    Democrats involved in the Senate negotiations were considering dropping their demand to delay the law’s “belly button tax,” a levy on existing policies that is set to add $63 per covered person — including spouses and dependents — to the cost of health insurance next year, aides in both parties said Tuesday. Republicans had derided the proposal as a special favor to organized labor.

    As word of the competing House proposal spread through the Capitol Tuesday morning, Senate Republicans postponed an 11 a.m. meeting of their caucus. The mood was considerably different than it had been on Monday night, when Reid and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) expressed confidence that they had developed a framework that could win the approval of Congress and spare the country from defaulting on the national debt for the first time in U.S. history.


    Paul Kane, Zachary Goldfarb, William Branigin and Jackie Kucinich contributed to this report
    Last edited by Karl; October 15, 2013, 10:34 PM.
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    Get ready to buy cheap stocks when the DOW falls by 1,000 points.
    Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else - Vince Lombardi

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    • #3
      Whatever happens from here, the US deserves to be downgraded again.

      This is a federal government that is dysfunctional, unpredictable and cannot be depended on to do the right thing.
      "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Islandman View Post
        Whatever happens from here, the US deserves to be downgraded again.

        This is a federal government that is dysfunctional, unpredictable and cannot be depended on to do the right thing.
        It's a joke that the most powerful man in the world is unable to do anything about this matter.
        "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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        • #5
          What is House Majority Leader, John Boehner, waiting on?

          It appears to me that his only move is passing a plan with the support of moderate Republicans and majority of the House Democrats. He has given the majority of GOP voters the impression that he has fought the good fight given his impossible position (that carved out by the supposedly brilliant Ted Cruz ).

          ...and he must know that Cruz's actions and that of the 'tea party' House Republicans is a in his face 'no respect' shout to the world and therefore if he retains his Speakership it will be because they have no other choice (based on what they term to be in their self-interest).

          He has nothing to lose but his legacy as Speaker. ...as all points to his being replaced as Speaker as the 'tea party' House Members have already turned their backs on him/treating him as not far enough to the right and as putty in their hands.
          "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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          • #6
            Well he has made his decision it seems. I think he just wanted to insulate himself from those who will say he did not try hard enough.He can say he tried and was sabotaged by his own party, which in a way he was.

            Obama has another big win over the Repugs. He better beef up his secret service protection because the anger level from the fringes tun up higher than ever now!
            "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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            • #7
              yep, big win for Obama. The House leader may as well resign. History will make him look good but the republicans are in a quandary right now.
              • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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              • #8
                Now the White House better go fix the Obamacare website, fast too. They got two extra weeks without the media having time to report much on it.
                "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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                • #9
                  yes because all it takes is Obamacare don't work out good and see how the tide change. It think it will and I hope it work out good.
                  • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Islandman View Post
                    Well he has made his decision it seems. I think he just wanted to insulate himself from those who will say he did not try hard enough.He can say he tried and was sabotaged by his own party, which in a way he was.

                    Obama has another big win over the Repugs. He better beef up his secret service protection because the anger level from the fringes tun up higher than ever now!
                    I think you are right on all counts.
                    I cannot wait to see what the House does?
                    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Islandman View Post
                      Now the White House better go fix the Obamacare website, fast too. They got two extra weeks without the media having time to report much on it.
                      That website mess?
                      Man fi get fiyah-ed wen di time rite!


                      Wonder on numbers signed up by the alternate routes - phone, e-mail, writing?
                      "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                      • #12
                        Cannot not be a winner, Sass.
                        The GOP just alarmed that it was not implemented by them...i.e. sorry that it is now owned by the Dems and particularly hurt that it has turned out to be OBAMA's Care/owned by President Obama.

                        Here are unquestioned wins -
                        a) ..and biggest win of all - Persons who were locked out of having viable path to Health Ins now have one!!!

                        b) The 'goodies' that have already kicked in - e.g. not being kicked off your health insurance because of development of chronic illness. (formerly many policies were not renewed using the unwritten "unfortunately we cannot renew" clause.

                        c) Not being denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition. The great gain here is the reality of being able to shop for coverage while having a pre-existing condition.
                        Previously i) one could not do so as terminating current relationship with a health insurer would leave one in the wilderness as there would be no takers of someone with a pre-existing condition.

                        ii) Now besides being able to shop with the satisfaction of knowing one cannot be denied coverage, comparison shopping is fair as premiums cannot be hiked because of having that pre-existing condition.

                        iii) Parents and guardians can be assured of finding affordable coverage for kids still in college.

                        ...etc.
                        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                        • #13
                          Karl the politics of winning is more than that. Why you think the republicans don't want the law implemented???

                          If in year or two it doesn't get desired results it can will be deemed a failure by many skeptics and naysayers. If you notice the people who currently believe in Obamacare and those who are skeptics are roughly the same about if you follow the surveys.
                          • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Assasin View Post
                            Karl the politics of winning is more than that. Why you think the republicans don't want the law implemented???

                            If in year or two it doesn't get desired results it can will be deemed a failure by many skeptics and naysayers. If you notice the people who currently believe in Obamacare and those who are skeptics are roughly the same about if you follow the surveys.
                            Cannot fail!
                            ...can be improved...but failure?
                            No!

                            Shall be tremendous success!!!
                            ...perhaps a future GOP government will try to 'steal' it. A few tweaks here and there and rebranded as GOPCare
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