Now what a Energy Bangerang

[Assasin]

The international firm came back and said none of the firms qualified for the financial backing. They all failed.

The OCG said the now winner is an illegal bid.

Go and do the reading on these two firms and tell me what have they accomplished in the field??? If I was making the rules for bidding in Jamaica I would give Jamaican firm at least a 5% advantage as often done with firms owned by minority and government for certain US contracts, so I empathize with any Jamaican bid.

The fact is OUR open themselves up for some big fat lawsuits by not sticking to strick guidelines. They will even have more trouble if they release their format for choosing.

When you doing these things you want to be transparent and have ground rules that is fair to all.

[Plush]

I agree wth all that Sass so what should be do..call off the entire thing? I thought that 75% was one criteria...and the internatinal firm still ranked all the firms regardless of them failing that criteria.

I would think the firm would have looked at whether the companies could actually fund the project.....

I don't have an issue with EWI especially that based on what I read they seem a way better option than Energize Jamaica.
While I support the call for getting local companies to do things, we don't have a track record of getting things done timely and within cost.
What we need is an experienced company coming to invest and bringing their technical expertise and funds to Jamaica...We don't need another option that is gonna fall back on the government to fund

Energize should have some preferential treatment yes, as long as their bid is on par with others

[Assasin]

But Plush any of these international firms have completed anything???

A document Don1 posted and it is floated around the web on EWI is worrying to say the least. Tankweld which is the main source behind Energize Jamaica may have a better track record than these two firms.

Let me say this to be frank. I rather a Jamaican firm win because it keeps most of the dollars and workers at home. Second is international firms that compete must be reputable and have track record.

The fact is OUR didn't handle this well and I notice you choose not to comment on the fact that the OCG say this is illegal for EWI to be a part of the process. That right there is an easy lawsuit against OUR if these players feel slighted enough.

[Plush]

Please tell me what about EWI is illegal? This is why I stay away from some of the things that the OCG says. They didn't confirm to a deadline established...Illlegal is a strong word. At most, theirproposal was late and not in line with policies and procedures established.

You also said none of the companies meet that one criteria....If a company submitted 15 days late and met all the criterias and are much better than the others would your argument be the same?
Policies and Procedures are there as a guide that we should follow in all instances but there are times when these said policies and procedures are changed for betterment. At the end of the day..we want the best outcome for Jamaica and wrongly or rightly, I prefer to focus on the spirit of law, policies, procedures vs. the letter.

What probably should have happened is that we reject all the proposals and give all the companies a chance to re-submit since none of them met that 75% criteria...

OUR knew that Jamaicans and businesses would be crying criticisms if that happened...No one wants another dealy to the project and because of this we are seeing below standards bids being accepted.

[Assasin]

"At most, theirproposal was late and not in line with policies and procedures established"

This is what made it illegal. If is not in line with establish policies and procedure the you should exclude it.

"What probably should have happened is that we reject all the proposals and give all the companies a chance to re-submit since none of them met that 75% criteria..."

Yes that is what should have happen.

The problem is that EWI was late and with the support of a minister in charge, you have to make sure that it looks above board.

I use to sit on some committees for educational bid and you have to make sure the process seems fair or you have to defend it.

It is not about delay but been fair to everybody.

[Bricktop]

Policies and Procedures are there as a guide that we should follow in all instances but there are times when these said policies and procedures are changed for betterment.

Say what?

[Don1]

"At most, theirproposal was late and not in line with policies and procedures established"

This is what made it illegal. , you have to make sure that it looks above board.
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So someone should be charged with this "illegality" it seems

Please cite the "law" that was broken Sass

[Assasin]

Is everything illegal, someone is charge for????

If you have nothing to add then stop hide and duck. The OCG said it was an illegal bid, not my word.

[Don1]

Please cite the law that was broken Sass... which law did the OCG reference?

[Assasin]

did he say it was illegal??? yes or no? nothing else.

thanks in advance

[Don1]

So you don't know?? You claim the OCG stated the bid was "illegal".. I never saw that reference

Now please ansa di query yute... what law was broken to create this illegality?

[Assasin]

Simply read this???

The fact that the OCG said the bid should not be accepted

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...oject_15094005

If it is not legal then is it illegal???

[Bricktop]

I thought we hired an international reputable company to evaluat the bids. Did I miss something here? What went wrong?

Mott McDonald evaluated all proposals except EWI's...OUR "combed through [EWI's] document ourselves and on the basis of what was presented have included them....”...this was in contradiction of the National Contract Commissions directive that the OUR “…carry out an evaluation of any other proposals received before the final ‘cut-off’ date on the same basis and in the same manner as the previous evaluation exercise.”...

[Don1]

il·le·gal
i(l)ˈlēgəl/Submit
adjective
1.
contrary to or forbidden by law, esp. criminal law.

Sass the OCG is not saying it's illegal

There's a claimed breach of suggested procedure by the bidder & Paulwell which the CG feels should subject it to disqualification ... which alleged breach is disputed by Paulwell and the OUR..

[Bricktop]

which alleged breach is disputed by Paulwell and the OUR....

Unconvincingly