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  • Unnu get excited bout Babylon defunct colonial era treaties

    ...wen man ah tell unnu seh ah fooliniss. Yet anedda NostraDon1 prophecy manifest

    No claim
    National Library document shows US gave up Goat Islands lease in 1961
    BY KIMONE THOMPSON Features editor thompsonk@jamaicaobserver.com
    Tuesday, September 17, 2013


    The US may have a claim on 100 acres in Portland Ridge, Clarendon.
    The Portland Ridge area of Jamaica which a National Library document shows may still be under US lease.

    IT appears the United States do, in fact, have an active lease on Jamaican soil, but according to documentation obtained from the National Library of Jamaica yesterday, it's not on the Goat Islands.

    A January 10, 1961 press release with the heading 'Stage II of West Indies Bases Talks — Jamaica', which was issued by the Federal Information Service from Port-of-Spain, Trinidad — the capital of the then West Indies Federation — gave some details.

    "The United States has agreed to release unconditionally to the Government of Jamaica all the areas totalling over 23,000 acres which were leased to it under the 1941 leased Naval and Air Bases Agreement, except for a small parcel of 100 acres, part of Portland Ridge, the precise site to be determined by survey," the document said.

    ween the United States of America, Jamaica, the United Kingdom and the West Indies, the parties which had concluded the fourth phase of the West Indies Bases Talks Stage II the previous December.

    The exact boundaries of the 100 acres and the duration of that lease are not clear. The document hinted that those details were contained in the drafting instructions for the new agreement approved during the Stage II talks.

    However, a newspaper article published here on February 11, 1961, a day after the formal agreement was inked, said the US would retain Chaguaramas, Trinidad, and "small strategic areas on other islands" for a period of 17 years. This, however, was subject to defence needs and could be extended by mutual agreement.

    Whether any extension has been actioned is still not clear, but the National Library of Jamaica says it has solicited assistance from the National Library of Trinidad and the Jamaica Archives to source copies of the final agreement itself.

    According to the newspaper piece, the US had leased a total of 61,680 acres for 99 years under the Bases-for-Destroyers deal between Franklin D Roosevelt and Winston Churchill. The bases were purportedly for Panama Canal and Western hemisphere defence.

    "Under the new agreement [of 1961], the United States will give up 80 per cent of the 61,680 acres it acquired on a 99-year lease in 1941," the article said. The lands it held on to in Trinidad were used as an anti-submarine base.
    Speculation has surfaced in recent weeks — after it emerged that the Jamaican Government was considering a Chinese Government proposal for Goat Islands to become home to a trans-shipment port — that the US had an active lease on the cays, located just south of the Hellshire Hills in St Catherine. The Government of Jamaica, through the attorney general, rubbished the suggestion, branding it "bar talk".

    Conservationists, including the Caribbean Coastal Area Management Foundation (CCAM) — which manages sections of Portland Bight -- and Jamaica Environment Trust have argued that Goat Islands are not suited for such large-scale port development, given that it houses fish sanctuaries, game reserves, endemic species, and falls within the larger Portland Bight Protected Area.

    Further, they said the lack of consultation and dialogue with civil society on the proposed development is contrary to the terms of the recently inked Partnership for Jamaica Agreement.

    Reacting to the news yesterday, executive director of CCAM Ingrid Parchment told the Jamaica Observer that it was "all very interesting".

    "I know there are two leases on Portland Ridge — one by the PWD Gun Club and the other by Jackson Bay Gun Club -- but when you look at the map you realise that there is a bit of land between the two and another piece to the side that are not leased to anyone," she said, adding that things now seemed to be adding up.

    For Peter Espeut, former head of CCAM who led the negotiations for the creation of the Portland Bight Protected Area in 1999, the Game Sanctuary around Galleon Harbour in 2004, and the Galleon Harbour Fish Sanctuary in 2010, this changes nothing.

    "Our objection to the project is not based on the fact that the Americans have or had a lease on Goat Islands. It's that Government's way of going about the project is not in line with environmental standards, and it is certainly not in keeping with our partnership agreement," Espeut said.
    Added Parchment: "I really want to emphasise, that while Goat Islands is the target area [for siting the port], we have to focus on the entire protected area."

    According to the Portland Bight Heritage Survey by the Jamaica National Heritage Trust (June 2002), those 23,000 acres initially leased included property stretching from Port Royal in Kingston to Williamsfield in Manchester.


    Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...#ixzz2f8hOAAhm
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  • #2
    Well it seems they are doing some home work.
    THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

    "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


    "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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    • #3
      they did not ABANDON the lease by not using it, they formally gave it up. completely different scenario legally speaking

      Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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      • #4
        You predicted that they would give the GOJ back the lands in 1961? You a mek prediction from yuh crib?

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        • #5
          from the crib? it would be more like from the epididymis!! any it was more of an ex post facto prediction and those have a high degree of accuracy ....

          Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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          • #6
            I predicted it's a defunct agreement and a non-issue... as mi seh... Anedda Don1 prognostication manifest
            TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

            Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

            D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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            • #7
              ah ....... what was your reasoning as to why it was defunct?

              Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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              • #8
                How can you predict something that already happenned? A wah dis pon mi...

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                • #9
                  Yuh mussi dense

                  What just happened is the issue persons make of a non-issue

                  Try kip up
                  TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                  Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                  D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                  • #10
                    I predicted it's a defunct agreement...
                    How mi fi keep up wit foolishness?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Gamma View Post
                      ah ....... what was your reasoning as to why it was defunct?
                      I posted this multiple times...the latest in response to you

                      1. There's been a de facto abandonment of any lease by the presumptive tenant.. by non-enforcement of any rights for many decades. There was an abandonment in fact but I stated that it was unknown whether there was abandonment de jure

                      2. The GOJ has exercised complete dominion over the property for said decades...to the extent of declaring by an act of Parliament.. the subject area a protected preserve

                      Any more questions before I close this case?
                      TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                      Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                      D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                      • #12
                        I predicted that it would emerge eventually in the public domain to be a defunct agreement and a non-issue

                        I guess for the lower-functioning I need to break down each step

                        I'll try to remember that...thanks for the input
                        Last edited by Don1; September 17, 2013, 11:54 AM.
                        TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                        Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                        D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                        • #13
                          I predicted litigation ,not knowing the facts.
                          THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

                          "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


                          "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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                          • #14
                            what a piece of dandy shandy

                            1. .... not a presumptive tenant and not by non enforcement. what is "abandonment de jure" you mean the formal agreement? how is that "abandonment"? the issue of abandonment, does not arise as there are no competing rights to consider given the formal nature of the 1961 agreement, assuming that to be true of course.

                            2. the exercise of dominion is ONLY of significant because the the US FORMALLY gave up the lease.

                            if one arrives at the correct conclusion through a faulty premise, what is that called?

                            Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Don1 View Post
                              I predicted that it would emerge eventually in the public domain to be a defunct agreement
                              way to go amazing kreskin...i predict that tomorrow's edition of the daily gleaner will emerge eventually in the public domain

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