Jews have long figured out overcoming obstacles- Time we did

[Don1]

African Peeps:

Less Yappin', Marchin', Complainin', Playin', Runnin', Jumpin', Dancin', Singin', Spendin', Dressin'

More Doin', Workin', Helpin', Educatin', Producin', Thinkin', Savin' n Investin'

One doesn't need to be Einstein to figure that out

[Bricktop]

But what about the lingering effects of slavery on the psyche of black people...that card can be played until the end of time...

[Sir X]

It is a card that will be played as long as necessary to our benefit , like the Jews use the exodus from Egypt, the Spanish inquisition, the Holocust and the present day Arab /Israeli conflict.

The Jews were not always as united as they promote themselves to be today , they were just as divisive as we are as recently as the early 1900s , when a Jew position was determined by his nationalization, not his ethnicity, i.e British, American ,German , Polish,Spanish etc, the unison came post WW2 with the creation of Israel and mass migration to Britain and the USA post WW2.


Common sense would tell you a Jamaican Jews interest in the 1700s to 1800s was with the british as was a Cuban Jew with the Spanish.


We have another 100 years to go post civil rights and we are on the way , cc: President Obama.

Use that card !

[World Fan]

Dat now

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ensation-claim


Slavery compensation: Caribbean nations propose Mau Mau model

Regional organisation targets British, French and Dutch governments over continuing effects of slavery

• Associated Press in Miami
• theguardian.com, Thursday 25 July 2013 20.51 EDT

An 1833 illustration of former slaves in Barbados celebrating the passing of the emancipation law. Photograph: Hulton Archive/Getty Images

Leaders of more than a dozen Caribbean countries are launching a united effort to seek compensation from three European nations for what they say is the lingering legacy of the Atlantic slave trade.
The Caribbean Community, a regional organisation, has taken up the cause of compensation for slavery and the genocide of native peoples and is preparing for what would likely be a drawn-out battle with the governments of Britain, France and the Netherlands.
It has engaged the British law firm of Leigh Day, which waged a successful fight for compensation for hundreds of Kenyans who were tortured by the British colonial government during the so-called Mau Mau rebellion of the 1950s and 1960s.
Lawyer Martyn Day said his first step would probably be to seek a negotiated settlement with the governments of France, Britain and Netherlands along the lines of the British agreement in June to issue a statement of regret and award compensation of £19.9m to the surviving Kenyans.
"I think they would undoubtedly want to try and see if this can be resolved amicably," Day said of the Caribbean countries. "But I think the reason they have hired us is that they want to show that they mean business."
Caricom is creating a reparations commission to press the issue, said Ralph Gonsalves, the prime minister of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, who has been leading the effort.
The legacy of slavery includes widespread poverty and under-development, Gonsalves said. Any settlement should include a formal apology, but contrition alone would not be enough, he said.
"The apology is important but that is wholly insufficient," he said in a phone interview on Wednesday. "We have to have appropriate recompense."
The notion of forcing the countries that benefited from slavery to pay reparations has been a decades-long quest. Individual countries including Jamaica and Antigua and Barbuda already have national commissions.
Earlier this month, leaders from the 14 Caricom nations voted unanimously at a meeting in Trinidad to wage a joint campaign that those involved say would be more ambitious than any previous effort.
Each nation that does not have a national reparations commission agreed to set one up, sending a representative to the regional commission, which would be overseen by prime ministers. They agreed to focus on Britain on behalf of the English-speaking Caribbean, France for the slavery in Haiti and the Netherlands for Suriname.
Caribbean officials have not mentioned a compensation figure but Gonsalves and Verene Shepherd, chairwoman of the national reparations commission in Jamaica, both noted that Britain at the time of emancipation in 1834 paid £20m to British planters in the Caribbean, the equivalent of £200bn now.
"Our ancestors got nothing," Shepherd said. "They got their freedom and they were told 'Go develop yourselves'."
The British high commissioner to Jamaica, David Fitton, said in a radio interview on Wednesday the Mau Mau case was not meant to be a precedent and that his government opposed reparations for slavery.
"We don't think the issue of reparations is the right way to address these issues," Fitton said. "It's not the right way to address an historical problem."
In 2007, marking the 200th anniversary of the British prohibition on the transportation of slaves, then prime minister Tony Blair expressed regret for the "unbearable suffering" caused by his country's role in slavery.
After the devastating Haitian earthquake in January 2010, then French president Nicolas Sarkozy was asked about reparations for slavery and the 90m gold francs demanded by Napoleon to recognise the country's independence. Sarkozy acknolwedged the "wounds of colonisation" and pointed out that France had cancelled a ¢56m debt to Paris and approved an aid package that included ¢40m in budget support for the Haitian government.
Gonsalves said much more needed to be done and he hoped to begin an "honest, sober and robust" discussion with the European governments soon, championing the issue when he takes over as chairman of Caricom in January.
"You have to seize the time," he said.

[Gamma]

It is worth pursuing and a negotiated settlement is very very possible

[Jangle]

compensation = debt forgiveness

[Bricktop]

A monetary settlement would be useless...better negotiate complete overhaul of infrastructure...roads...drainage...water distribution...power gird...hospitals...schools etc...

[Sir X]

Scared of forgiving any debt , why ? They will borrow it all back the next day and rob it out.

[Bricktop]

Less yapping...and less justification of fockery...

[Sir X]

Agreed Brick ..fraid a dem when dem get di likkle money...robbing spreeeeeeeeeee!

[Sir X]

Of course , and the card must play !

[Bricktop]

if you say so...i say it is holding us back...

[Muadib]

or Lee Kuan Yew...

"The Jamaican man, speaks well, dresses well, dances well and drinks well.. all concept of hard work he appears to have left behind with slavery..."

2 week assessment almost 40 years ago..

Prophet dat !

[Muadib]

How dat card look in the Jamaican context ?

Dat is unnuh problem.. unnuh love play... life is a serious ting...

[Islandman]

As long as necessary to our benefit? LOL!

You mean as long as necessary to our detriment?

We can wait until the very last racist on earth disappears before we believe we can chart our own destiny, or we can take things into our own hands.

Full time black people get angry with ourselves and our leaders. Why we haffe wait pon the next Zimmerman before we feel compelled to do something?