Bricktop, they say Zimmerman defense will probably

[Sir X]

Nope , anything you say .

[Islandman]

It matters because I don't think there are too many jurors that are going to convict a man of murder if they believe him to be screaming for help.

Now if you are black and too poor to afford a half-decent lawyer then you better fret same way. Otherwise you should be safe.

[Sir X]

Not that black and white , why not put it in full context , jurors given the facts of pursuit with a gun by another ,minding his own business , then screams, while getting his ass kicked and kills the man.

Is that self defence,murder or manslaughter ? ....we will soon see .Thats why to me ,it is essential to highlight the pursuit at every oppourtunity.Prosecution is loosing it with this focus of screams and concrete.Not saying it doesnt have its place , but FOCUS !

[Islandman]

You have to consider how people view gun ownership down here, we talking about Obamas "clinging to guns and religion" crowd. Carrying a gun is nothing unusual to them in that situation. I have been around people at my workplace talking about their AR-15 like it was a digital camera.

But maybe the prosecution did a better job with jury selection than they did with presenting the case. You never know.

[Sir X]

Point taken , but pursuit is a mitigating factor that hasnt been exploited in my book.That to me its a universal factor which invokes fear.

[Islandman]

Well they dealt with the pursuit extensively with the best witness they had, the girl on the phone with Trayvon. She made it clear that Trayvon was concerned about this "creepy ass" following him around. That is why I believe they still have a strong manslaughter case.

[Sir X]

Not enough for me , let me give you an example .

Zimmeran best friend , who wrote the book ,who stated Zimmerman state of mind during the whole altercation should have been asked.

Did Zimmerman tell you he was in fear while pursuing MR Martin .

Why did he say he pursued Mr Martin after being told not to ?

Did he tell you he felt fear when he had his gun on him ?

Did he tell you he believed MR Martin was in fear while being pursued ?

Did he expect anything physical to happen while pursuing MR Martin with a gun ?

Pursue - gun - fear -confrontation...Any witness that comes up would get that same line of questioning to start , before I jump into screams, concrete and who was on top.

Yuh see mi ?

[Time]

The best explanation I can come up with for the murder charge is public and political pressure. They must have known it was not a strong case given the evidence.

Aggravated manslaughter, if allowed, could still send him away for a while but I am concerned that the prosecution was so focused on making a case for murder that the less difficult case to prove may have slipped away from them as well. I really hope not.

Did he come out of his truck to murder Martin or to citizen arrest him?
The CNN commentators have been saying the prosecution is presenting like they want to throw the case.
Maybe they charged him with murder so that he could walk free?
Maybe they presented a bad case so that he could walk free?

[Islandman]

Them claim say he ended the pursuit, was on his way home and then Trayvon jumped on him.

That is his self-defense argument, but it makes no sense unless you believe Trayvon was a criminal who just hadn't committed the crime yet. If they believe that then Zimmerman will get off from even manslaughter.

[Gamma]

Closings will tell you

[Gamma]

Sometimes if you have a really good attorney they are as to tie it all up with the closing argument. Especially in a case where you don't have that one slam dunk witness or piece of evidence

[Karl]

rest tomorrow and give case to jury.

I have a very bad feeling about this. The prosecution's case was very disappointing, weak witnesses for the most part, nothing very revealing in the way of forensic evidence. Very difficult to see them getting a murder conviction.

I think the prosecution presented a case that exposed many lies by Zimmerman and laid the basis for a telling closing argument...but I found the presentation 'flat'.

The defense put up a response that was much more spirited and had a thread of what I would call 'making an emotional connection' with all who were listening and watching.

It is somewhat like a debater losing not on facts presented but to superior eloquence. A making of the connection that has the judges not having supporting facts to support their given findings but finding tit-bits to justify the decisions.

I think, a diligent jury will find for the prosecution.

I hope the judge allows for manslaughter or Zimmerman will most likely walk free and that would be tragic. An unarmed youth doing nothing wrong is dead and it is his fault, that much we know for sure.

Aaaah boy!!!