Here we go? - Gleaner EDITORIAL: JLP on sale of the JPS

[Karl]

A company that has mediocre employees needs the best Management possible to make the tough decisions regardless if the employees have shareholder votes...

The evidence at hand indicates the JLP are better managers than the PNP.

Mayor Mckenzie is a far better manager than Atkins.. why is this ?

Maybe the culture of the PNP does not allow good managers.. who knows.. and who cares..

It is only convenient for you Karl to be spouting "it nuh matter which P inna power' because currently YOUR P is in power.

Don't be a hypocrite Karl.

It always matters what P is in power. 1972 - 1980, 1980-89 and 1989-2007 is CLEAR evidence of this.

Keep bringing it up Karl yet you seem to ignore it.. when a Stream is dirty yuh haffi start cleaning at the Head. Filter is clogged beyond recognition after 18 years of 'progress'.. Filter change long overdue.

Here in lies the problem - The JLP you state have been better managers, but many would claim that as it relates to their particular circumstance the PNP have been great.

It is claimed that during the JLP years it is the 'topanarises' that had their circumstances improve...while during the PNP years it is claimed the net was spread wider and the appeal to inner sensibilities has had a more profound effect on individuals pulling themselves up by their own individual efforts.

...to be personal it was during the reign of the Manley, Sr. PNP that the common entrance examination was openned to the children of the 'masses'...and, it appears to me that the great exodus from adject proverty to enjoying the fruits of a more 'comfortable existence' became possible.

It appears to me that, certainly over time, various attitudes tied to advancement through education spurred us on...and, continues to this day. The thought that all things were possible, if only we, our children and our children's children and those following after...were allowed access to education is seared in our consciousness. Rightly or wrongly (tongue in cheek) the PNP has stuck to the idea that through knowledge..acquiring of knowledge...education...for our people, all things are possible....and, that act by the Manley, Sr. led government ties the PNP to such an initiative.

Certainly the action of Michael Manley in attempting free education fits right within the thought that there is none among us who is 'lesser' than the other...and, all can and must have the avenues to lift self towards greater and greater economic status? Right?

The point is what does managing to benefit only a few have that is so over-riding that managing to benefit all is thrown through the window? Sure there have been failures by successive governments...and, it may surprise you, but it much more important that there is progress that benefit all than it matters which "P" rules. Yes, I am partial to the PNP as leaders of governement...but, if a JLP governement can deliver on the principles of the PNP of moving the entire country and its entire people forward, then so be it.

My problem is I am not convinced that my cause and the cause of all our people was advanced by promoting growth for a few of us and ignoring the the rest of us. I am convinced that more Jamaicans excaped proverty and hopelessness under past PNP leadership than under the combined efforts of all past JLP governments...
...and, I am not convinced a coming JLP government shall do better than its predecessors.

btw - It must be nonsense to be suggesting that the Jamaicans who gravitate to the PNP are any less competent at managing than those who gravitate to the JLP. Surely our history has shown that. If it were not so, surely the country would be much further advanced on the road to prosperty? Surely the competent managers would have left institutions and the like which would be seen as obviously beneficial that they stood the test of time...and, would ahve left us in a better place than we are today?

The idea being advanced - not so subtly - that the people are fools and thus turn from proven competent leadership to incompetents is but the normal posturing of 'politicians'? Surely it is more logical to think that the people see value...good value in turning to, at various times in their history, to the various past leaders...past "P's"? Surely...????

[Comment]

Who was it again who said.

Here in lies the problem - The JLP you state have been better managers, but many would claim that as it relates to their particular circumstance the PNP have been great.

It is claimed that during the JLP years it is the 'topanarises' that had their circumstances improve...while during the PNP years it is claimed the net was spread wider and the appeal to inner sensibilities has had a more profound effect on individuals pulling themselves up by their own individual efforts.

...to be personal it was during the reign of the Manley, Sr. PNP that the common entrance examination was openned to the children of the 'masses'...and, it appears to me that the great exodus from adject proverty to enjoying the fruits of a more 'comfortable existence' became possible.

"This government (ah...that would be the PNP) has presided over the greatest transfer of resources from the poor to the rich since slavery was abolished"


Who was that again.........

[Comment]

and how can it appear to you Karl

that there was a great exodus out of poverty under the PNP when by all accounts (all the multilaterals, and our own STATIN) the country became poorer under the PNP in the 70s.

I suppose you subscribe to the Omar Davis accounting philosophies........

[Karl]

that there was a great exodus out of poverty under the PNP when by all accounts (all the multilaterals, and our own STATIN) the country became poorer under the PNP in the 70s.

I suppose you subscribe to the Omar Davis accounting philosophies........

Comment...I speak of my personal observations. I am from a little village in Hanover...perhaps, most famous for being the birth place of Merlene Ottey...but that little village has been transformed from what it was when I was growing up.

...and, I have met and conversed with many, many persons with similar experiences. The plusses, for me, are on the PNP side.

An aside:
What is the point of a country having growth of 5%, 10% 20% if the vast majority of the people are in abject poverty?

...would it be better if all the people had comfortable economic circumstance?

[Lazie]

Karl, apparently unuh nuh know what good fi unuh then? When the Overseas Development Council did their quality of life index, it was discovered, “Most Jamaicans enjoyed a relatively high quality of life when compared with their neighbors. For example, in the early 1980s, Jamaica's physical-quality-of-life index computed by the Overseas Development Council was higher than that of Mexico and Venezuela and equal to that of Trinidad and Tobago.” (US Congress Library).

Then again, most of unuh suffer from battered wife syndrome, suh what should I expect? Today the Human Development Index proves that Jamaicans are the 2nd poorest in the Caribbean ... suh stop yuh foolishness bout majority in abject poverty.

[Comment]

But Karl........

"This govt. has presided over the greatest transfer of resources from the poor to the rich since slavery was abolished"

but you just feel that you like them.



Oh well................

[Muadib]

Comment...I speak of my personal observations. I am from a little village in Hanover...perhaps, most famous for being the birth place of Merlene Ottey...but that little village has been transformed from what it was when I was growing up.

...and, I have met and conversed with many, many persons with similar experiences. The plusses, for me, are on the PNP side.

An aside:
What is the point of a country having growth of 5%, 10% 20% if the vast majority of the people are in abject poverty?

...would it be better if all the people had comfortable economic circumstance?

What about the PNP model ensures that the people are not in Abject poverty ?

Which non-production, non-growth model takes people out of poverty ?

Talk like you have sense and are the beneficiary of good education... the way you are talking implies that any mediocre politician could sam-fi you or use a distribution of scarce spoils model to fool you into thinking there is progress.

Remittance is preventing massive social unrest, do not be fooled or play the fool.

The country currently owes nearly 1 Trillion Dollars.. who is paying that debt ?

What production capacity has that borrowed money developed to ensure comfortable payment of that debt ?????

If you are unable to reason like an educated person on this matter just say so and stap waste people time !