But that's what Hispanics, young people, etc are, non traditional. Especially compared to Tea Party types who ALWAYS vote.
2008 i was worried about a Bradley effect but it didn't happen so I can't really see why it would happen this time. I think those looking for a reason to vote against Obama have the economy as a legitimate excuse to use so I think they are accounted for.
The thing I look at most in the polls are the trends that they all show even when they don't agree. For example not all polls show Romney winning but they all showed him making gains after the first debate.
Similarly all the major polls show Obama in a better position when all registered voters are included than when only "likely voters" are included, so that suggests to me that turnout is the key, the higher the better for Obama.
Last edited by Islandman; October 29, 2012, 03:56 PM.
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i think those looking for a reason to vote against Obama have the economy as a legitimate excuse to use so I think they are accounted for.
not sure i understand that ...... i cannot think that ANYONE who is looking for a reason not to vote for Obama is overly concerned with the economy such that that would be the reason they vote aganst him or for romney. those who do not want him in are turning out and a significant percentage of that is simpley because they do not want him .... not policies or anything.
e.g. tell me how romney's trickle down helps poor white people, in particular in particular rednecks? they do not and will never move in romneys circle but .....
Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.Thomas Paine
I was referring to the Bradley effect, say you will vote Dem but vote Rep because the Dem is black. Why say you are going to vote D today if you dont plan to, when the economy provides a legitimate excuse to vote against the incumbent.
I think 2008 was an environment more likely produce the Bradley effect against Obama than 2012 I think.
Last edited by Islandman; October 29, 2012, 07:09 PM.
"It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass
race! race! racists!
Many do not wish to be identified as such...so anything to hang hat on to run from the real cause...failure to look in the mirror and confront - I am a racist. I am reluctant to keep the blackman in the Whitehouse!
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