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    Law turns off investors

    Law prevents mineral baths from turning away poor and sick
    BY BALFORD HENRY Senior staff reporter balfordh@jamaicaobserver.com
    Friday, October 19, 2012






    HISTORICAL legislative provisions protecting the right of indigent Jamaicans to access the healing waters of the Bath Fountain and Milk River mineral baths have become obstacles to the development of both attractions.
    “The legislative stipulations suggest that you have to make special accommodation for the poor and indigent, things like that,” permanent secretary in the Ministry of Tourism and Entertainment, Jennifer Griffith, told Parliament’s Public Administration and Appropriations Committee (PAAC), Wednesday.


    The Bath Fountain Hotel and Mineral Spa in St Thomas.


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    “The private sector could hardly do anything with Bath, based on the fact that it was bequeathed to the people… One provision which still exists on the books is that no pauper should be turned away,” former minister of tourism Edmund Bartlett, who currently chairs the PAAC, pointed out.
    “And so, in fact, if you have a private investor investing sums of money, how do you accommodate these requirements?” Griffith wondered, as she tried to explain how the historical provisions in the Acts of Parliament covering the operation of the two baths has impeded divestment.
    They were responding to Government MP and PAAC member Fitz Jackson, who asked why the two historic baths could not be developed and used to boost the appeal of local resorts.
    “Do we amend the Acts, or do we try to find some way to accommodate? That is one of the issues to be resolved,” Griffith said.
    The Milk River Bath Act, which protects the Clarendon attraction, states that it shall not be lawful to lease the property unless such lease contains adequate provisions for “the reception and accommodation of sick and infirm persons at such rates and charges as shall, from time to time, be approved by the minister”.
    Tradition says both baths were used by slaves, between the 17th and 18th centuries, primarily to heal their wounds from brutal whippings. For example, the discovery of Bath Fountain in St Thomas was attributed to a runaway slave, Jacob, who was hiding from his master when he came upon the hot water spring. He returned to the plantation and told the master, Colonel Stanton, about it.
    Stanton eventually sold the spring and adjoining 1,130 acres to the Government with certain conditions protecting the rights of indigents to use it. The discovery led to the development of the town of Bath and the Bath Botanical Gardens, the second oldest botanical garden in the Western Hemisphere.
    However, efforts to protect the right of the poor and indigent to these resources seem to be crippling their growth as, while the Government is unable to fund their development it has not been able to attract private investors, who are against operating under the protective clauses.
    Griffith said, however, that the problems are no longer limited to the legal provisions, as the infrastructure and utility services in and around the baths, including roads, light, water, and telephones, are very poor.
    “Successful bidders say that Government has to fix all of these infrastructural problems before it would even make sense for us to invest their money in upgrading the properties,” she explained.
    But, despite the challenges, she said that the baths remain a major economic base for the communities in which they exist.
    “Such is the nature of those communities, so they do serve a purpose. The potential for them is enormous, but we have to look very seriously at policy here,” she concluded.


    Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...#ixzz29kOz1tx5

  • #2
    Excuse yes.

    Take care of the environment, run it like a business and people coming and see how quick they gobble it up.
    • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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    • #3
      Excuses? Would you invest in these mineral baths?

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      • #4
        Agree with Sass. Fix the damn place and people will come. The poor can be accommodated at discount fees. The problem is that the stupid haberdashers that are so-called investors want the government to provide everything for them on a platter and they simply come in and make money, thus victimizing tax payers twice.

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        • #5
          yeah but the roads and water and basic security etc. are government's responsibility. Government can't escape that. Govt have to do their part and the investors have to do their part.
          • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Reggaedoc View Post
            Agree with Sass. Fix the damn place and people will come. The poor can be accommodated at discount fees. The problem is that the stupid haberdashers that are so-called investors want the government to provide everything for them on a platter and they simply come in and make money, thus victimizing tax payers twice.
            So hold on...I must refurbish the property + fix the public infrastructure? What happen when water pipe burst? I must stand the cost of digging up and fixing back the road? Come on man wake up...you would be a fool to invest your money in one of these mineral baths...

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            • #7
              Mek the Govt. fix it, then I will run it as a profitable entity for them

              The road to Bath Foundation is narrow and horrible - scary at best!!

              Milk River road is not good either, but I saw them doing some work in June on certain parts of the roadway. The facilities are in a state of disrepair - I would not be caught going into those baths, not even to dip my foot!
              Life is a system of half-truths and lies, opportunistic, convenient evasion.”
              - Langston Hughes

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              • #8
                Haberdashers ?

                Ah wheh di ?

                Which local investor know bout World Class therapeutic Spa ?

                Nuh farin investor yuh woulda need fi duh dis right ?

                Sometimes unnuh really mek mi wondah..

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                • #9
                  Thenk yuh sah?

                  If the conditions were right all kinda farriner would be all over those baths.

                  I agree that Yuh right to wonder...

                  Jamrock is short of proper business training.

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                  • #10
                    Get a big experienced farrin investor to do major construction for a resort part and a general public part.

                    Much different rates can be charged for the 2 sides and much different amenities can be offered. Even pon plane yuh have fuss class and cattle class.

                    Brains disengaged here.

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                    • #11
                      Jamaican GOVT policies are what encouraged a switched off entrepreneurial class. Afterall, wi nuh born different to other peoples!

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                      • #12
                        A real investor would fix the damn road leading to his investment. This old idea where so called investors expect tax payers to provide everything for them for free so that they are free to make money without any liability is old school. It hasn't worked anywhere in the 3rd world. What the government should do is fix the place, the road, the baths, train people to manage it and run it as a national resource, and please don't give me government can't run anything crap. There are good examples of governments, the world over, that have managed national resources well. Look at the Indian railroad system. Probably the largest in the world, and profitably run by the government of India. We don't have to hand over our country to private concerns, foreign or local.

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                        • #13
                          Steeupps...Yuh believe the hype!

                          i personally know of farrin investors who tried for Baths in Labarite and Sochie times and get rebuffed.

                          If you naah deal wid serious fishhead yuh outta luck and that is what many investors refuse to get into..

                          As to Indian railway, would YOU tek an Indian train? I thought so....

                          Is like yuh figget what happen to dem CommonWealth Games bridge...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bricktop View Post
                            So hold on...I must refurbish the property + fix the public infrastructure? What happen when water pipe burst? I must stand the cost of digging up and fixing back the road? Come on man wake up...you would be a fool to invest your money in one of these mineral baths...
                            Yes. If the pipe burst, you dig up the road, fix the pipe and fix back the road. Isn't that the way it goes in a capitalist system?. If I own a hotel in New York city and the sidewalk in front of my place deteriorates, who fixes it?. I fix it. If the pipe leading from the main breaks, who fix it?. I fix it. The city gives me a permit to dig up the the street, and compels me to use a contractor licensed to dig upmthe street to get to my pipe. You think the city pays for that?. Again crony capitalism will always attract cronies/parasites who want more and more and more from poor tax payers.

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                            • #15
                              Ahmm - but dealing with the bureaucrats in Jamaica, it may take you three months to get the damn permit
                              Life is a system of half-truths and lies, opportunistic, convenient evasion.”
                              - Langston Hughes

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