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  • #16
    The number is vastly inflated...whether $6B or wuss $10B ... KCT is an important regional facility but on the world level it's not in the top 60 or so container ports..it's rather small potatoes

    The port asset should be leveraged yes...with downstream investments in logistics, assembly & light manufacturing etc..BUT...

    ... If it is going to the most likely candidate, China, there are substantial national security concerns for Jamaica

    Hutchison Whampoa which is a front for the People's Republic already controls terminals straddling the Panama canal...Pacific and Atlantic coasts. If China also acquires KCT which commands the Atlantic approaches to the Canal...the United States will be further concerned about their strategic position in the region....especially since a conflict of some sort between the US and China appears inevitable within the next generation (20 years or so) although it may be fought via proxy.

    I'm sure the US would demand some security guarantees from Jamaica before they ok'd such a deal...and believe me if they don't ok it...it's not happening.

    That may be at play when you hear reports of "Beware of Chinese bearing Gifts"
    That may be a reason for the lack of movement on the port by the PNP admin subsequent to Hu's visit...and the even longer delay over One Liad's brief admin

    These security issues are often larger than the limited technical or economic considerations we tend to apply to them.
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    • #17
      It is the 7th biggest natural harbour in the world, strategically placed.

      The Chinese had plans to expand it massively as their hemispheric hub, so dont study the current state.

      The value i believe was in the newspapers at the time and was the total investment package...for 50 year lease, light mfg setup (freezone) and chinese disneyland at Pt Royal.

      At the time it was said that Korean EverGreen line already hubbed at panama and china needed their own.

      H Whampoa has massive ownership by Daddy Bush and the Carlisle Group. Mi know dat from 2001. How yuh think HW got to buy all that Dark fibre in the US after the dot com collapse. Man like Bernie Ebbers blow up dem company dem and go jail and the vulchas picked the carcass for near free!

      how much security concern over potential? if it so valuable the yanks woulda in deh. if its military threat, guantanamo blunts that.
      Last edited by Willi; January 12, 2012, 03:28 PM.

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      • #18
        Well, yuh glimpsing.

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        • #19
          LOL...Glimpse?? Joke yuh ah mek yute

          Don1 master dat langlang time... ChessMasta tings

          Yuh welcome fi jine di class doh... juss memba mi tole yuh seh mi nuh partial to no Babylon East ar West ...suh yuh wi get heart attak
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          Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

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          • #20
            Mi more interested in the art of Ninjistu, when yuh master dat call mi

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            • #21
              =Willi;336734]It is the 7th biggest natural harbour in the world, strategically placed.

              The Chinese had plans to expand it massively as their hemispheric hub, so dont study the current state.
              I agree it is a nice asset but in the big picture of ports ..it's not that big. If China doesn't get that they'll go to the Bahamas (where they have a smaller facility) or the DR which are not as good as KCT but serviceable

              The value i believe was in the newspapers at the time and was the total investment package...for 50 year lease, light mfg setup (freezone) and chinese disneyland at Pt Royal.
              I was living in Jamaica at the time...was involved in the Summit as a registered bizniz (Huawei equipment was bypass-friendly ) and followed everything in detail. There was zero mention in the press of any deal or investment number from what I saw.

              In fact the Chinese nuh werk suh wid premature press releases or trial balloons.. evvyting haffi grill up before yuh ear nutten fram dem

              At the time it was said that Korean Green line already hubbed at panama and china needed their own.
              Evergreen?? Dats Chinese

              H Whampoa has massive ownership by Daddy Bush and the Carlisle Group. Mi know dat from 2001. How yuh think HW got to buy all that Dark fibre in the US after the dot com collapse. Man like Bernie Ebbers blow up dem company dem and go jail and the vulchas picked the carcass for near free!
              Agreed

              how much security concern over potential? if it so valuable the yanks woulda in deh. if its military threat, guantanamo blunts that.
              America is not well positioned in commercial shipping relative to it's size as a trader. Asian and European shipping is larger...and they have more excess capital..well.. the Asians do

              If you think the US would not be concerned about the security implications of their main adversary snapping up ports and dominating sea lanes in "their back yard"... I have a big tunnel wid some big magnet outside ah Geneva fi sell yuh

              Guantanamo is a symbolic anti-Castro outpost & latter day prison...zero military potential to safeguard sea lanes
              Last edited by Don1; January 12, 2012, 03:51 PM.
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              Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Jawge View Post
                Mi more interested in the art of Ninjistu, when yuh master dat call mi
                Well mi nuh bizniz wid dat kung fu sitten...mi pass tru dat juvenile phase fram skool daze

                Realpolitik ah di lick
                TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                • #23
                  So yuh nuh waan learn how fi disappear? Arite boss

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                  • #24
                    Nah man,

                    Here are the sea lanes. Guantanamo up there, potentially!

                    Bah not considered, as no main island is near the optimum points.

                    http://www.cartoko.com/content/wp-co..._1989_p590.jpg

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                    • #25
                      Sorry fi mislead about Evergreen, its Taiwanese, not Korean. So technically not ONE-Chinese and so a problem for the mainland, as dem crowd dem outta panama.

                      I will try to track down the $10b figgah dat in my memory!

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                      • #26
                        Guantanamo is an interesting location but is not a serious military asset...it cannot realistically be expanded military-wise nor as a port ... it's a non-entity

                        Bahamas already has a considerable transshipment port which a few years ago was rivaling KCT before the last expansion. China has built a facility there and it's convenient to the US east coast and Gulf ports
                        TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                        Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                        D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                        • #27
                          ok boss
                          TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                          Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                          D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                          • #28
                            Which island dat? It seems like the sparsely populated ones.

                            The only reason they could be seriously competing is that KGN has been forming the fool.

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                            • #29
                              Cant tell a chinese man from a korean.

                              Dem look alike. LoL

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                              • #30
                                I think the container facility is on Nassau/Freeport..ok seeit yah http://freeportcontainerport.com/fcp.php

                                Although they don't update it as they should the CSA website is useful...especially the "Opinions" and sometimes I've seen some fact based reports Here's an article from back in the day.. http://www.caribbeanshipping.org/arc...gston-mike.htm
                                TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                                Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                                D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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