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  • Did Portia made a big blunder

    She should not have promised to put it to a vote. She should have said that this issue is so important to Jamaican that no politician would dare to touch it, ;we would have to take a referendum of the matter.'

    The only way that Jamaican are going to approve it is if the US and the Europeans impose travel restrictions and a trade embargo.

    Church angry, gays happy

    PNP on collision course with Christians


    Thursday, December 22, 2011












    THE perennially controversial issue of homosexuality appears to have set the Opposition People’s National Party (PNP) on collision course with some sections of the Christian Church.

    PNP Leader Portia Simpson Miller shocked the television audience watching her debate with Prime Minister Andrew Holness Tuesday night, with her suggestion that the buggery law should be reviewed and that she was not opposed to having gays in a Cabinet led by her.
    MILLER… it is saying that moral values become secondary to ability to perform
    SIMPSON MILLER... PNP will review buggery law
    COKE… Adventists concerned
    JOHNSON… reviewing the buggery law does not necessarily mean that a change will occur



    MILLER… it is saying that moral values become secondary to ability to perform


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    “That is very concerning for me [reviewing the buggery law] and I am disappointed that we are still insisting to go back in that direction, because the matter was dealt with in the amended Bill of Rights earlier this year,” said Rev Al Miller, pastor of the Fellowship Tabernacle in Kingston.
    Miller said he was equally disappointed with the Opposition Leader’s stance that she had no problem admitting anyone to her Cabinet once they were qualified to carry out their duties.
    “I am seriously concerned about that, because it is saying that moral values becomes secondary to ability to perform,” the pastor said, adding: “That kind of approach would be difficult for Christians to support because character and integrity takes precedence over ability.”
    Associate pastor of the Tower Hill Missionary Church, Rev Mark Dawes also took offence at Simpson Miller’s stance: “If we remove the buggery law, then we might be opening the floodgate for sexual anarchy,” he cautioned.
    He said, however, that he understood her belief that no one should be prevented from being apart of a Cabinet once they were qualified to do so, even if they subscribed to the gay lifestyle.
    “If the person is not promoting that lifestyle, then I could grow to be comfortable with them in the Cabinet, but if it is somebody who is championing the lifestyle and advocating for it, then I’ll have a problem,” Dawes said.
    In the debate, Simpson Miller said: “We should have a look at the buggery law,” distancing herself from Former Prime Minister Bruce Golding who told a British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) interviewer he would not allow a homosexual in his Cabinet.
    The Seventh-day Adventists also rejected the call to revisit the buggery law, while saying they had no problem with gays in a Cabinet.
    “The issue is with reviewing the law, that’s where the church has an issue. Like any other faith-based organisation, we are concerned because it goes against the biblical side of things,” said SDA director of communication, public affairs and religious liberty, Nigel Coke.
    But general secretary of the Jamaica Baptist Union, Rev Karl Johnson commended Simpson Miller for tackling the issue head on when asked by a journalist in the debate. Reviewing the law did not necessarily mean that a change would occur, Johnson argued.
    “I think it is a commendable thing to always review our laws to see whether they speak to current realities, whether they are still informed by values and norms that we can sustain both as a country and I would say as a religious community,” he said.
    President of the Jamaica Association of Full Gospel Churches, Bishop Rohan Edwards said he believed that a review of the buggery act would not affect the way the church viewed the homosexual lifestyle.
    “We don't have a problem with the revisiting buggery law, but we know the law that we have to answer to which is the word of God. So they have the right to revisit anything they want to,” he said.
    For its part, the Jamaica Forum for Lesbians, All-Sexuals and Gays (JFLAG) welcomed Simpson Miller’s position. Executive director of the lobby group, Dane Lewis, said: “We are very encouraged by the statement, it was a very bold statement by a political leader knowing the history of statements which our leaders have made and so we look forward to seeing what is to come if they certainly do form the next government.
    “It really speaks loudly to a respect for the human rights of all Jamaicans, including those who are gay, lesbian, bi-sexual or transgender,” he noted.
    He said he was disappointed with the response given by Holness who was very cautious in his response when he stated that his “sentiment must be the sentiment of the country”.
    “We are disappointed that the prime minister, even though he had another opportunity to make certainly a bold statement, he didn’t,” he said. “It is very clear that he is going to pander to the religious community and vaguely step around the issue,” Lewis asserted.



    Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...#ixzz1hHNZz4a8
    The same type of thinking that created a problem cannot be used to solve the problem.

  • #2
    a wonder what the Rasta movement saying?
    • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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    • #3
      What Rasta movement???lol. Ja have any Rasta movement?

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      • #4
        The issue speaks to our maturity as a people and definitely whether or not we 'straight' members of the society are 100% firm in belief and conviction that no amount of activism on the part of those who 'hug up' the alternate sexual lifestyle can cause us 'straights' to cross over.

        Frankly, as far as I am concerned, those who embrace the homosexual lifestyle present no threat.

        On another note - I think there are persons posting here who have homosexual tendencies...but as long as they do not use the site to promote their sexual preferences I have not a problem.

        Portia...making a political blunder?
        Could be. It is Jamaica. ...but on the other hand it shows a courageous and bold leader. It is so 'out there' for our politics that it shall certainly cause many voters to re-evaluate her suitability as PM... Will that look cause admiration and up-tick on the suitability side or 'screw-face' and a down-tick? ...the pollster's exit polls should give us the goods on that.
        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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        • #5
          ...I think there are persons posting here who have homosexual tendencies...
          "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Assasin View Post
            a wonder what the Rasta movement saying?
            Fiya Bun!!!
            TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

            Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

            D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Karl View Post
              On another note - I think there are persons posting here who have homosexual tendencies...

              Gwaan Karl!!!

              Bun Dem Out!!! More Fiya!!!
              TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

              Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

              D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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              • #8
                Me just see a post from Barbara Blake Hannah...she say dem betta legalize the herb first before dem look pon nuh odda law.

                Actually I agree wid her.
                "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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                • #9
                  Karl ,

                  Are you serious?? You can detect a man's /woman's sexual tendencies from their posts?? You have the lottery numbers ? LOL

                  I am curious as to what cues you to their sexuality?
                  Peter R

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Peter R View Post
                    Karl ,

                    Are you serious?? You can detect a man's /woman's sexual tendencies from their posts?? You have the lottery numbers ? LOL

                    I am curious as to what cues you to their sexuality?
                    Gaydar dem kall it
                    TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                    Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                    D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                    • #11
                      Well Daryl Vaz was just on TV burning them out and his constituents seemed to be in full support.

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                      • #12
                        Possible by man who get 'over-vex'...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Peter R View Post
                          Karl ,

                          Are you serious?? You can detect a man's /woman's sexual tendencies from their posts?? You have the lottery numbers ? LOL

                          I am curious as to what cues you to their sexuality?
                          My post --
                          On another note - I think there are persons posting here who have homosexual tendencies...but as long as they do not use the site to promote their sexual preferences I have not a problem.
                          I think if you read my post again you shall see I never said posts on the forum showed that the posters had homosexual tendencies....but rather that I think there are persons with those tendencies posting here.

                          Never said where I got the info to draw such a conclusion...if I saw anything here, I am not saying...

                          ...if it has been elsewhere...I am also not saying.

                          ...however, I did say "I think there are posters with such tendencies posting here..." and I am sticking with that.
                          Last edited by Karl; December 22, 2011, 10:41 PM.
                          "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                          • #14
                            First things first Al Miller has no moral authority to talk about anyone's morality, I guess Observer went to him because they would get the answer they wanted given that he is a member of the JLP.
                            Solidarity is not a matter of well wishing, but is sharing the very same fate whether in victory or in death.
                            Che Guevara.

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                            • #15
                              Ok sir, I understand... just going with the averages kind of thing...

                              BTW Are you okay with heterosexuals promoting their sexual preferences on the site?
                              I can tell you I am not in favour of anyone promoting any kind of "lifestyle" other than that which is related to what the site was designed for... I just saw where some jacka55 posted an ad for viagra on the school football or other sports forum and frankly those kinds of things annoy me... what was really annoying was that when I saw it at it had been viewed 12 times... lawd mi jaw nearly drop! Let me hasten to say I never legitimise that kind of thing by opening those posts...
                              Peter R

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