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I forgot that Bolt ran the second leg in 2007 and handed over to Carter on third leg...hmm interesting line up with Marvin starting, need to go back and do some checks to see why we had this quartetSolidarity is not a matter of well wishing, but is sharing the very same fate whether in victory or in death.
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We Need To Beat the USA One Day!!
Good post, and thanks for the memories, Time!Originally posted by Time View Post
Asafa Powell, in my opinion, is probably the greatest anchor leg runner that Jamaica has ever had! Check out also, if you can, his anchor leg on Jamaica’s 4x100-meter relay team in the finals at the 2006 Commonwealth Games! Fantastic!
Veronica Campbell also made a fantastic run in the women’s 4x100-m relay that day in 2007 to almost reel in Torri Edwards. We almost got the gold in the women’s relay!
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I dream of the day when our sprint relay teams will beat the USA across the line in a global final. At the 1991 IAAF World Championships in Tokyo when the team of Dahlia Duhaney, Juliet Cuthbert, Beverley McDonald, and Merlene Ottey won the gold medal, the USA wasn’t in that final.
In 2004 at the Olympic Games, the USA messed the baton exchange from Marion Jones to Lauryn Williams (which resulted in Lauryn running out of the exchange zone), so the USA had stopped running long before Veronica Campbell took us across the line in a new national record. (People still incorrectly state that the USA dropped the baton in Athens! They did not!)
The trend continued in 2009 when Jamaica won in Berlin. There was no USA in the finals after the accident between Alexandria Anderson and Muna Lee during the second baton exchange in the semis.
The trend is no better in the women’s 4x400-meter relay, as our gold medal in 2001 at the IAAF World Championships in Edmonton, Canada, came as the result of a devastating error by the USA. The Jamaican-born USA anchor Suziann Reid (I think that’s her name) caused the baton to go flying onto the grass during the exchange, thereby giving us a chance to surge ahead and win that gold.
In the case of the men’s 4x100-meter relay, there was no USA in the final when we won gold in 2008 and again in 2009. We need to beat the USA to the line in a real battle!!Comment
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Regarding men's 4×100,we really do not need to beat the USA,we set a world record,the USA needs to beat we in order to validate itself.
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I Doubt Our Women Would have Won
Rockman, I certainly agree with your view that the USA men’s 4x100-meter relay team “needs to beat we in order to validate itself” (lol). Solid point, boss!Originally posted by Rockman View Post
In fact, we did not merely break the USA men’s 1992 world record (which they equaled one year later in 1993), we demolished it at the 2008 Olympic Games!! I had hoped for a world record, but I never expected our guys to shave off three-tenths of a second off that longstanding world record!! Breaking a sprint relay record by three-tenths of a second is not something to be taken lightly!
By the way, we showed that that performance was no fluke when we came back the following year (2009) in Berlin and ran the second fastest 4x100-meter relay in history!!
I’m not sure our women’s 4x100-meter relay would have beaten the USA in 2004 (Athens) and in 2009 though! In fact, I would have been extremely surprised if our girls beat them in a race to the line in 2004, considering that the USA had TWICE run the fastest time in the world prior to the finals. I cannot remember the exact time run by the USA (on both occasions the time was exactly the same), but I know it was much faster than Jamaica’s 41.73 seconds winning time in the finals. That USA pre-Olympic finals performance was, as far as I can recall, close to the national record that they ran in 1997.
As far as 2009 is concerned, our women chose the safe route (making sure the baton got around safely and not repeating the 2008 Olympic fiasco on the second exchange), and that was sufficient to hold off the fast Bahamian team. However, I can assure you that, barring the USA messing up the changes, there was no way our women were going to beat the USA in 2009, a team which once again had the fastest time in the world prior to the relay finals.Comment
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I do not remember the results regarding the women's 100,please remind me Historian.Comment
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that would be of assistance to me as well!
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The 2008 Olympic Jamaican Quartet would have broken the World Record if not for 'the fiasco'.. our slowest runner was Veronica Campbell.. process dat...Comment
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You Misunderstood My Post
Muadib, you apparently misread my post, bossOriginally posted by Muadib View Post
! The focus of my discussion above was on the 2004 Olympic Games Jamaica women’s team and the 2009 IAAF World Championships team, both of which I am certain would have won silver medals behind the American women.
The 2008 Jamaica team was another matter !!
In fact, I completely agree with you that our 2008 team might have broken that long standing East German women’s relay world record record!! In fact, there is no doubt in my mind that we would have, if not for the fiasco that occurred in the baton exchange between Sherone Simpson (backstretch runner) and curve runner Kerron Stewart.
And that exchange was a real fiasco, as it not only disqualified Jamaica, but also (if my memory here is correct) the British team as well because Kerron ran out of her lane and into the British baton exchange and completely messed them up!
That women’s 4x100-meter relay team that Jamaica assembled for the final of the event in the 2008 Olympic Games had to THE MOST incredible women’s sprint relay team ever assembled!!! As far as I’m aware, never before in history has a women’s relay team been assembled where half of the team was comprised of gold medalists mere days before, and the other half was comprised of women who had won sprint silver medals just days before!!
Shelly-Ann Fraser (lead-off) and Veronica Campbell (anchor) were outstanding gold medalists in the 100 and 200-meter races respectively at that Olympics, while Sherone Simpson and Kerron Stewart were joint silver medalists in the 100-meter race at that Olympics!
Not even the USA women’s 4x100-meter relay team at the 1997 IAAF World Championships, the fastest women’s relay team I have ever witnessed anywhere, was, at least on paper, as impressive as Jamaica’s 2008 Olympic Games women’s relay team! (That 1997 USA sprint relay team which ran a USA national record, by the way, was made up of Chryste Gaines on lead-off, Marion Jones on backstretch, Inger Miller on curve, and Gail Devers on anchor.)Comment
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Looks like Jamaica could have won this men's 4 x 100 in 2007 Worlds. Looks like Bolt messed his baton change. Slow down the video, did he switch the baton and almost did not pass it?Originally posted by Historian View PostThe same type of thinking that created a problem cannot be used to solve the problem.Comment
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Ideally Bolt should only handle the baton ONCE as he always switch hands which slows him down...Solidarity is not a matter of well wishing, but is sharing the very same fate whether in victory or in death.
Che Guevara.Comment
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I Suspect That Was The Problem
Time, you asked a very good question. I can vaguely remember an animated discussion on the Caribbean Track and Field Forum about Usain Bolt’s role in that relay disappointment. That second baton change from Bolt to Nesta Carter might indeed have been the main problem, as the commentator suggested afterwards.Originally posted by Time View Post
However, I’m not 100 percent sure specifically who caused us to end up where we did, which forced the Asafa Powell to work so hard.
Sickko is correct in what he said above about Bolt.
By the way, Time, were you the poster who made the completely accurate 100-meter race prediction prior to the 100-meter dash in Berlin in 2009? I think the prediction was the outcome of the women’s 100-meter dash. I ask because of all the predictions I saw anywhere, yours was the ONLY accurate one. If that person was you, much respect, boss !!
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Yup, that was me. I don't know this thing as much as my brethen and sport advisor Sicko but I did make some accurate predictions here and on facebook in 2009. I also predicted the 400m Hurdles for Melaine Walker. A few days ago the facebook prediction for Melaine resurfaced via the 'this was your status this time last year feature.'Originally posted by Historian View PostTime, you asked a very good question. I can vaguely remember an animated discussion on the Caribbean Track and Field Forum about Usain Bolt’s role in that relay disappointment. That second baton change from Bolt to Nesta Carter might indeed have been the main problem, as the commentator suggested afterwards.
However, I’m not 100 percent sure specifically who caused us to end up where we did, which forced the Asafa Powell to work so hard.
Sickko is correct in what he said above about Bolt.
By the way, Time, were you the poster who made the completely accurate 100-meter race prediction prior to the 100-meter dash in Berlin in 2009? I think the prediction was the outcome of the women’s 100-meter dash. I ask because of all the predictions I saw anywhere, yours was the ONLY accurate one. If that person was you, much respect, boss !!
The VCB versus SAF battle looks very interesting this year. Mosiah has describes SAF performamance as pure possum and I think he is correct. Let watch the semins and the heats then make the calls!The same type of thinking that created a problem cannot be used to solve the problem.Comment
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