Bwoy.. certain elements a fight gainst yuh

[Muadib]

um.. actually our swampy trappings are the result of economic ruin brought about by certain lovers of poor people.. like yuh education hero Manley...

[Don1]

oh... yuh mean swamp like secondary enrollment staying flat at 45% for an entire decade of the booming 1960s?

Dat deh swam is Everglades in size...LOL

[Willi]

Don, to get to tertiary grad level, the student haffi pass thru basic and primary and secondary fuss! That means a tertiary grad by definition costs more and demands a higher investment.

I agree that education to a secondary level is a must and even if we lose such poeple, the cost is less and Babylon haffi tek on the MUCH more expensive tertiary eddication fi demselves. Right now we subsidize Babylon at the tertiary level, while we dont have good universal coverage to 2ndarey level.

Most of the benefits you illustrate will accrue to us with good seconday level coverage for all. However, high level of eddication is s necessary but not sufficient ingredient to "prosperity". If so, Cuba would be RICH. One must coordinate economic opportunities at the same time with educational advancement. i think that is all the lady is saying.

[Willi]

Were we richer in the 1970s when educational spending took on much needed increases?

Things must be done correctly...and yes they must be done.

The educational policies of the 1960s was NOT universally supported in the JLP itself, as evidenced by what Edwin Allen did when Manley announced free education in Parliament in the early 1970s.

[Muadib]

When was independence ?

JLP should have guided the Social 'Revolution'.. have/have nots... they started it..

Manley was a unmitigated disaster.. he was no more socially conscious than Seaga..

[Muadib]

yuh nuh hear seh is ongly PNP luff poor people and education ?

Cho !

[Don1]

The unmitigated disaster of the 1970s was the tribal war.... Seaga was the leading light in that war allying with the CIA & used by them to undermine the govt... there is enuff documentation on that from open CIA sources

The DayWalking Vampire...all now dat cyaan ded

[Muadib]

CIA.. ?

Why would the CIA be in Jamaica ?



Lee Kuan Yew call Manley an eediat ahready.. stap yuh yapping..

[Don1]

The focus on opposing growth in tertiary education by pundits is a false, specious argument.... that change may be necessary but it obscures the real issues

You acknowledged that Jamaica has lacked a long term consensus on education and lacked long term planning and resource allocation..... that's the real argument...NOT fighting between sectors for the paltry amounts allocated for education.... the country gets distracted by that falsity while ignoring the fundamental problem of lack of interest in education by the political & business elite.

Jamaica it seems has a consensus on providing a modern highway system...restarted by Patterson with the North Coast Hwy & Hwy 2K... and now continued by the current regime.. There's a commitment to getting long term funding for that from both parties...plus we can depend on them to spend big patching roads every 4-5 years to help win elections

Now we need the tribes & business class to agree on long term planning and find long term resources to create a modern education system...bring us into the 21st century.... not consume all the debate over the use of the scraps now allocated the sector between this or that underfunded level

That's the real issue that we need to hear the moneychangers like Ms Crooks bawling for

[Don1]

hmmm.. why would they be?

What a mystery..LOL

[Don1]

whether it was universally supported or not is irrelevant...the policy was the policy

So the increased education output in the 1970s was a negative?

Nuh tell mi seh yuh believe dat

[Muadib]

Don't get profound..

Jamaica was well poised for this from the mid sixties.. big plan wid Fancy Name and all..

Then Don Quixote stepped in.. oops sorry the CIA.. and the rest is history..

Dat damn CIA.. recognized educated Jamaicans as a threat and launched Operation Don Quixote !

[Muadib]

<On the passing of Sir Donald Sangster, Mr. Shearer was chosen to be Prime Minister of Jamaica. He was sworn in on April 11, 1967.

On January 6, 1969 Mr. Shearer was appointed by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II as Member of the Privy Council of England.

During his tenure as Prime Minister, Jamaica attained its highest ever-gross domestic product (GDP) per capita – US$2,300 – based on rapid growth in agriculture, mining and tourism.

He also started a system of major highways, the first being the Kingston to Spanish Town Highway, and laid the plans for other by-pass routes, which would remove bottlenecks in all major towns.

Mr. Shearer had a special interest in education, and courtesy of the Canadian International Development Agency (CIDA), he was able to make marked improvements to the existing system, under the New Deal Education Programme. The New Deal Programme was designed to provide a sound education for every child in Jamaica, and, for the first time, the prospect of a totally educated population became a real possibility.>

Please excuse this commercial break of some facts to break up the monotony of The Don1 Propaganda Special..

I know return you to regular programming...

[Don1]

Yuh get dat fram JLP website? My info is UNDP/World Bank... strait Babylon

Yep the JLP had a special interest in education... Jamaica throughout 1960s had the lowest enrollment in the English speaking Caribbean at secondary & tertiary levels and spent the lowest per capita on education and illiteracy hardly budged for that decade... that during a worldwide econ boom

The New Deal was DOA and Jamaica dropped the ball on education in the 1960s...the data is clear

[Muadib]

more facts to destroy your propaganda....

<The Independence Plan was superceded by the New Deal for Education in Independent Jamaica (generally referred to as the "New Deal") in 1966. This effort was funded by the World Bank, the Canadian International Development Agency (CIDA), and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID). It was, according to Cogan and Thompson (1988) "the first comprehensive and systematic attempt by the government to formulate long-range planning in education that would result in a unified system open to all." Specific proposals were designed to restructure the education system in order to encourage and enable all students to get a secondary-school education. In fact, the primary motivation behind these reforms was the idea that education should break down class and racial boundaries that it should be a unifying rather than a stratifying force in Jamaican society.

Under the New Deal the number of primary teachers being trained reached almost 1,000 per annum in 1969; however, this was partly accomplished by reducing the teacher training program from three years in college to two years in college plus one year of internship in local schools. All teachers' colleges were expanded, one new teachers' college was established in rural Jamaica, and for the first time all teachers' colleges were equipped and staffed for training secondary-school teachers. The number of scholarships to UWI was further increased, and in-service training for teachers was expanded and intensified.>