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    The AG had taken Dudus case to the the supreme court

    Peter the Great objected because he knew that the MOUs were illegal. No worries Peter, you are still out hero, you actions cut the daily murder rate.

    Dudus was never served with a summons because the no one had an address for him. The Security minister could not tell the AG where to serve the Dudus warrant because he did not know much about the Dudus and certainly did not know that he had an office in Tivol and probably did did not know about his uptown residence which was published in the media.

    The information Minister could not help out the AG because he did not know much about Dudus either.


    KINGSTON, Jamaica--Dr. Peter Phillips, the Opposition's strongest voice on the stand-off between Kingston and Washington over the extradition request of Tivoli Gardens strongman Christopher 'Dudus' Coke, last Thursday rubbished the Government's decision to take the matter to the Supreme Court, while describing the move as an attempt to "muddy the water" and cause confusion.

    Phillips' comments come as Opposition Leader Portia Simpson Miller and her lawyers mull a response to the court action, which names her and Joseph Matalon, the Private Sector Organisation of Jamaica (PSOJ) president, as defendants in the case set for hearing on May 5.

    In the recently filed action, which is seeking declarations on the power of Justice Minister Dorothy Lightbourne in dealing with extradition matters, Simpson Miller and Matalon have been named defendants because they publicly questioned the justice minister's authority to decline the extradition request made by the US last August.

    Phillips - who has emerged as the Opposition's unrelenting spokesman on the Government's failure to process the extradition request for Cooke to face drug- and gun-running charges - continued his broadside last week.

    "Overall, I don't think that this changes my basic contention that in [extradition matters] the issues involving evidence belong before the Magistrate's Court as set out in statute. To me, it's just an attempt by the prime minister to confound the issue. It's a smoke screen, an attempt to muddy the water and to confuse people," asserted Phillips in an interview with the Observer.

    "There is no reason why this [extradition request] should be treated any different from the 19-odd that the [Government] extradited last year. There is no reason in law," added Phillips. "It's an attempt to pretend to go to the Court without going to the Court in the way that they should."

    The decision to take the matter to the High Court was made by Prime Minister Bruce Golding, who has argued that the evidence submitted by the Americans against Coke was gathered in breach of Jamaican law.

    Among the declarations sought by Lightbourne, who is the claimant in the suit, are that:
    * the justice minister has the authority and discretion under the Extradition Act, in particular sections 8 and 9, to decide whether or not to issue an authority to proceed after receiving an extradition request from an Approved State;

    * in the exercise of her authority and discretion, the claimant is entitled to consider whether the evidence furnished with the request is sufficient to justify the issue of a warrant for the arrest of the accused person under section 9;

    * the minister is entitled and under a duty to decline to issue an authority to proceed where the extradition of the accused person could not lawfully be made, or would not in fact be made in accordance with the provision of the Extradition Act; and

    * that the evidence supplied in support of the extradition request was obtained in contravention of the Constitution of Jamaica; the Interception of Communications Act; and orders of a Judge of the Supreme Court of Jamaica.

    Contacted Thursday, Matalon told the Observer that himself and the PSOJ have sought legal advice and that a response would be decided on.

    But legal luminary, Lord Anthony Gifford, QC, said Matalon and Simpson Miller are not bound by law to acknowledge the court action as they have no interest at stake.

    "...Their interest is not affected. They are quite free to acknowledge if they want. They are not bound by law to respond. If something was being done to affect [them] then obviously they should respond, but the declarations [sought] don't affect their interest," Gifford told the Observer.

    Should the two choose not to respond, the case would proceed without them. ~Jamaica Observer
    Last edited by Karl; March 7, 2011, 03:34 AM.
    The same type of thinking that created a problem cannot be used to solve the problem.

  • #2
    phillips was being disingenuous!

    Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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    • #3
      Ansa mi dis... if the MOUs are "illegal" as you claim... in the 12 months since they surfaced:

      Why has the JLP Govt not rescinded them?

      Why are they still using them?
      TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

      Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

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      • #4
        you hear the minister say they signed new security agreements?

        I can only assume that is addressed.
        • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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        • #5
          heh heh!

          yuh a watch di enquiry, Sass?


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          • #6
            no mi can't but me get bits and pieces from various sources. I can read but can't stream anything.
            • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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            • #7
              you assume??? ... if the JLP makes the MOUs public and claims the docs were illegal... they have a responsibility to state that they have been torn up.

              Instead Gelding states further that they are "valuable" and "important"

              Mi nuh know why unnu suh naive fi si wat ah gwaan
              TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

              Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

              D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Don1 View Post
                you assume??? ... if the JLP makes the MOUs public and claims the docs were illegal... they have a responsibility to state that they have been torn up.

                Instead Gelding states further that they are "valuable" and "important"

                Mi nuh know why unnu suh naive fi si wat ah gwaan
                Suh making it public is an issue now? Nuh unuh a call fi transparency? Like it or not the MOUs are vital to what happened, but of course you wanted it kept unuh wraps to continue with the propoganda.
                "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Don1 View Post
                  Ansa mi dis... if the MOUs are "illegal" as you claim... in the 12 months since they surfaced:

                  Why has the JLP Govt not rescinded them?

                  Why are they still using them?
                  Don, let sleeping dogs lie nuh man. If the JLP rescind those MOUs then...lets not even think about it.

                  The Minister of National Security testified that they changing the laws to make the MOUs legal and that they are at the draft stage in parliament. Leave it at that nuh man.

                  http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/2...ead/lead1.html

                  There is growing speculation surrounding Christopher 'Dudus' Coke in the United States after news surfaced last week that prosecutors have filed a new sealed document with the courts.

                  Prosecutors gave no indication of what is contained in the document filed on June 20 in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York where Dudus is to be tried on gun and drug-running charges.

                  "Possibly an indictment of those individuals who assisted Coke during the 10 months that the Government delayed his extradition from Jamaica," a US-based lawyer told The Sunday Gleaner.

                  "It could also be a product of the Department of Justice investigation into the Manatt FARA filings," the attorney said.

                  However, the attorney was quick to dismiss speculation that the sealed document could be a statement from the man the US authorities claim led the notorious Shower Posse.

                  "The US attorney could not take a cooperative statement from Coke unless he changes his plea to guilty or to nolo contendere (I do not wish to contest the charges).

                  Furthermore, all plea agreements are public record after being signed.

                  "Factual proffers made pursuant to a plea agreement cannot be filed under seal and can only be viewed by the court as part of the evidence at a Rule 35 hearing. This could be part of an appellate transcript but not a trial docket sheet," the attorney explained.

                  Superseding indictment

                  He noted that one day after the security forces moved into Tivoli in an attempt to capture Coke, an application was made to the court to unseal a superseding indictment against him.

                  That will replace the indictment, which was unsealed in August 29 and used by the US as part of its request to the Jamaican Government for the extradition of the west Kingston strongman.

                  "This is not going away, no matter what the spin doctors in Jamaica try," the US-based attorney said.

                  Coke remains in custody in a US jail facing charges of conspiracy to distribute marijuana and cocaine and conspiracy to distribute firearms.

                  He is to return to court in September but to date, the only attorney on record for the alleged drug kingpin is the state-appointed Russell Neufeld.
                  The same type of thinking that created a problem cannot be used to solve the problem.

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                  • #10
                    Aren't you assuming too???

                    I think the COE was to get the facts straight?

                    If you know the answers already why ask the questions?
                    • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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                    • #11
                      Now that the MOUs were made public by the JLP...which I don't mind at all... the JLP Govt should be able to say officially how they regard the agreements... are they "illegal" as some claim? if so are they still in use and why?

                      The hypocrisy of the JLP party & govt on the issue is resounding....Nelson was asked if the MOUs would be rescinded and could not answer... his answer would have established him, his government & his party as playing the fool on the issue.

                      Look like dem ketch yuh inna dem deception
                      TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                      Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                      D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Don1 View Post
                        Now that the MOUs were made public by the JLP...which I don't mind at all... the JLP Govt should be able to say officially how they regard the agreements... are they "illegal" as some claim? if so are they still in use and why?

                        The hypocrisy of the JLP party & govt on the issue is resounding....Nelson was asked if the MOUs would be rescinded and could not answer... his answer would have established him, his government & his party as playing the fool on the issue.

                        Look like dem ketch yuh inna dem deception
                        Could not answer? Didn't he refuse to answer based on Nat. Security?
                        "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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                        • #13
                          LOL! Suh dem claim sintin illegal an dem aggo change law fi mek dem legal...an meanwhile dem still ah use it?

                          The MOUs are not illegal...it is possible that the MOUs were IMPLEMENTED extra-legally by disclosure to unauthorized parties.....as Nelson claimed in his testimony.

                          They were withheld from the JLP govt because obviously the JLP could not be trusted not to warn the criminal target "Chris"... a fear which seems well founded in view of them risking so much to protect his "rights"

                          Ah dat bite JLP inna di a$$ ... an save Jamaica from "Chris" and his likes

                          Great statecraft..
                          TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                          Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                          D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lazie View Post
                            Could not answer? Didn't he refuse to answer based on Nat. Security?
                            so if the documents are important to nat'l security...why buss dem in di fuss place? why give Phipps a copy?? .. is ongly wen an ansa gwine mek dem look foolfool dem claim nat'l security...lol
                            TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                            Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                            D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                            • #15
                              mebbe...but my assumptions mek sense...yours don't
                              TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                              Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                              D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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