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    How can we give up our responsibility?
    MPs blast ECJ proposals
    BY ALICIA DUNKLEY Senior staff reporter dunkleya@jamaicaobserver.com
    Friday, January 14, 2011






    PARLIAMENTARIANS are once again at odds over the recommendations in yet another report of the Electoral Commission of Jamaica, this time those having to do with continuing legal reform.
    On Tuesday Prime Minister Bruce Golding, after it became clear that a consensus would not be reached, proposed that further debate on the provisions of the report — which was tabled in October — be suspended to allow for discussions between the parties.

    WARMINGTON.... if we go along with a lot of what they are asking for, it would be a dereliction of duty
    PICKERSGILL.... we cannot, on the mere proposal of a commission, whittle away the basic responsibilities and powers of the Cabinet


    WARMINGTON.... if we go along with a lot of what they are asking for, it would be a dereliction of duty


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    The decision came in the wake of rather strident contributions from South West St Catherine member of Parliament Everald Warmington and St Catherine North West counterpart, Robert Pickersgill.


    Warmington, in a hard-hitting intervention, accused the ECJ commissioners of acting like emperors in seeking increased powers which he said were Parliament to grant would be a slap in the face to the electorate.


    "Many times there are reports coming here in which the commission is overreaching and there are cases in which they have gone beyond sanity. They are asking us to delegate our responsibility to a group of persons and if we go along with a lot of what they are asking for here it would be a dereliction of duty. There are some aspects that are acceptable but there are others that are totally unacceptable," Warmington said.


    He further took issue with the commission's suggestion that it be allowed to act independently in deciding the rate of remuneration for employees.


    "The issue here is that Government is responsible for people's taxes, Government ought to hold the purse strings and we cannot delegate this responsibility to a group of persons who are commissioners for a particular body," Warmington contended drawing an approving "hear, hear" from Pickersgill.


    He was also at odds with the ECJ's request that the Representation of the People Act be amended to allow the commission to be the one to advise the governor general as to the postponement of an election. Currently that action is taken by the governor general, acting on the advice of the Cabinet.


    "How can we, as elected members of Parliament, give up our responsibility that the people place in us and delegate such responsibility in four or eight persons who are not answerable to the people of this country.


    I am answerable to the people of South West St Catherine and I am answerable to Jamaica and I want to know if the other 59 members inside here don't believe they have the obligation to stand and defend the people in their constituency," Warmington said to an absolute "nonsense, I am with you, ride on", from Pickersgill.


    "I am asking my 59 colleagues not to give up this right that is imposed in the Cabinet, the governor general and the Parliament of this country to give to a group of persons up at Red Hills Road (current address of the commission)," Warmington said further.


    "We need to ask this to be deleted and removed," he said to table-thumping.


    He also took issue with the proposal that the salary of the ECJ chair be increased and made equal to that of a senior puisne judge (an estimated $10.8 million).


    "It is offensive, it is greed and it is egregious arrogance which cannot be accepted inside here.


    The serious problem I have is that the nine commissioners get a salary of $8.3 million per year for a part-time job and they meet an average of two hours per week twice per month," Warmington contended.


    According to Warmington the commissioners who have helped in cleaning up the electoral system should work voluntarily for a stipend and travelling allowance.


    Meantime, Pickersgill was also against the recommended change of the Representation of the People Act as it related to the postponement of elections.


    "There are not many aspects of government that I consider more important than the calling of an election and the postponement of an election. It is sacrosanct. We cannot, on the mere proposal of a commission, whittle away the basic responsibilities and powers of the Cabinet. Our voters having gone to the polls and by a majority of votes having caused to be in place a Cabinet cannot be treated this way," he argued.


    Opposition MP Dr DK Duncan was, however, concerned that the comments of his colleagues would "discredit the institution forever" and hastened to put the record straight.


    "Nobody on that commission works for two hours a week, that is not true. Some hard work is put in by the people who are members of the commission. It is not fair for those innuendoes to be out there," the veteran politician said.


    According to Duncan, while it could not be denied that there were areas to be discussed and differences of opinion, he was reluctant to "remain a member of the House and allow for an institution built on the blood, sweat and tears of a lot of the leadership of this country to be so discredited".


    BLACK LIVES MATTER

  • #2
    still, Warmington must learn to be respectful to certain institutions. he can make his point without the disrespect.

    okay, maybe he can't.


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    • #3
      they are bi-partisan when it comes to preserving or expanding the power of politicians.

      Jamaica needs politicians to have LESS power and more to civil society...imho
      TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

      Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

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      • #4
        Well civil society have to demand it, no?

        You think politicians willingly give up power.
        • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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        • #5
          i agree.

          the toxic tribal culture makes it easy for politicians to do that
          TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

          Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

          D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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          • #6
            We create that That so we have to fix it. Until then politicians will take advantage.

            For every one politician that comes along thinking to give power to the people there will always be 10 who don't.
            • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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            • #7
              i agree... ergo... we should stop supporting blind tribalism..yes?
              TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

              Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

              D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

              Comment


              • #8
                that has always been my position.
                • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Assasin View Post
                  that has always been my position.
                  ok ...fair enuff ...why then when you perceive PNP related tribalism here you have no problem stating that opinion.... But when there is clear JLP tribalism on the board...Lazie,Maudib and Associates....nary one whimper from yuh

                  Why is that??






                  Don1 moves the King to checkmate position...
                  TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                  Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                  D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    badman nuh play chess. breast wi say!

                    bout yuh a play wid King and a check mate.

                    heh heh!


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                    • #11
                      yuh nuh good atall.. yuh soon si di SickOne tek up im cudgel...lol
                      TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                      Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                      D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        where have you seen that? You see what you want to see. I have not supported no criminal related anything in any party, I have supported policy positions including free education, free healthcare. I will support people see as top performer and encourage them. That goes accross partyline but of course you wouldn't see that. If someone don't come on here and call people names, jump at the latest rumour then they are ....

                        Let me tell one of my friend called recently to tell he is representing the PNP as a councillor and maybe up for Mayor and the first thing I said is, is there anything I can do to help you? Because I know him and he will make a difference.

                        And of course some of your policies or what you advocate I will never support but I only look forward to a better Jamaica. I don't care if PNP or JLP win as long as the country meets certain basic targets.
                        • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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                        • #13
                          It appears you don't understand what I posted..

                          Re-read and try again.. note the use of "here" "on the board" and the naming of the notable JLP sycophants


                          ok ...fair enuff ...why then when you perceive PNP related tribalism here you have no problem stating that opinion.... But when there is clear JLP tribalism on the board...Lazie,Maudib and Associates....nary one whimper from yuh
                          Could it be that JLP tribalism is more acceptable to you that the PNP version??


                          Don1's Queen enters checkmate position...
                          Last edited by Don1; January 15, 2011, 02:03 PM.
                          TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                          Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                          D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                          • #14
                            Politics is politics and it is just that.

                            Mi rather deal with policies and its effect. I also rather single out people who are meeting their targets. I care none for none performers.

                            You could be bipartisian till you blue if good polices and the leaders are not there it make no sense. To think you are not partisian is living inna Jamaica NY and think you are living in Jamaica W.I. The fact is I am not afraid to give credit where it is due.

                            You simple can't show where I defend non performers or party hacks. If it is a policy position that maybe different and when Manley had free education I supported it, When Seaga charge fee for it and heallth I was against it. My major problem with the PNP is their monetary policy which they have employed for most of their 18 years in power.

                            I however believe change comes from the community level upwards most of the time. Again I will say I care not who win as long as it result in economic growth and better for our people.
                            • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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                            • #15
                              You show an amazing inability or unwillingness to address or perhaps understand my specific question..it must give you some difficulty


                              game stalled as Assasin refuses to make a play
                              Last edited by Don1; January 15, 2011, 06:52 PM.
                              TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                              Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                              D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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