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  • Curves create excitement... But no need to be be confused

    Picture Jamaica where in the period 2007 - 2010.. it's affected by a worldwide downturn (not of the Govt's making obviously) and virtually EVERY category of production declines.. tens of thousands of jobs are lost...and poverty soars....

    Then consider the indices used to measure the Jamaican economy... ALL of which are adjusted for price movements...including the price of money..inflation/exchange rates of course...but where different methods of price adjustment are applied

    Gross Domestic Product/ Gross National Income--- FLAT/DECLINING-- and IMF/World Bank forecast more declines

    Gross National Income on Purchasing Power Parity basis... FLAT/DECLINING

    Both indices jiving with reality of recession

    Then there is the GNI adjusted by the so-called Atlas Method of the World Bank--- Rising by 20% -- Economists find this method useful sometimes in comparing different economies

    The Atlas Method is a particular statistical technique of smoothing exchange rate shifts over a time period...different methodology from the techniques used in GDP or PPP....the closest parallel in the real world is when a "curve" is applied to test scores to adjust for poor scoring.... so when a guy gets a nominal score of 50%...the curve can take him to 65%... what's that guy's "real" score??.. 50% or 65%?? Pick yuh chice

    If Jamaica's average income in real terms was growing at a rate of 20% over 3 years (approx 6.5%/year)...then the size of the economy would DOUBLE IN ABOUT 12 YEARS... so clearly this is very far from reality

    People have a choice about what index to use in particular circumstances.... a curved index giving skewed results...or another that corresponds with reality....but as I said before

    It is statistically impossible for there to be a (real) 20% increase in average income in the face of a 3 year recession, declining incomes, soaring unemployment & poverty

    Unless statisticians throw a curve ball and the naive try colt di game

    Mout an Statistics mek fi seh anyting...


    For more info on comparative econ indices

    Extract:

    Question: What are the drawbacks to using exchange rates to convert GDP to a common currency for international comparison purposes?

    Answer: There are two major disadvantages. First, exchange rates vary from day to day and sometimes change abruptly - perhaps because of speculation against a currency or because of changes in interest rates. If GDP is converted into US dollars using exchange rates, the size of a country's economy will also appear to vary from day to day and undergo abrupt shifts for reasons that have nothing to do with the actual levels of economic activity in that country. This volatility can be overcome to some extent by using averaging devices, such as the Atlas method employed by the World Bank, although the results can be distorted if exchange rates change rapidly. A second disadvantage is that exchange rates do not simply reflect the relative prices of goods and services produced in a country – they are affected by the relative prices of tradable goods and by factors such as interest rates, financial flows etc. So the use of exchange rates to convert a service such as a haircut may give inappropriate answers and the PPP approach is to be preferred conceptually. When the GDP of different countries is converted to dollars using PPPs, they are all being valued at a common set of prices. As with a time series of GDP at constant prices, it then becomes possible to compare the underlying volumes.

    Question: Are PPPs a substitute for exchange rates in making international comparisons?

    Answer: It would be a mistake to think of PPPs as a substitute for exchange rates in making international comparisons. In fact, they are complementary because PPP based comparisons are useful in specific situations, such as that described above, while exchange rate based comparisons are more appropriate in others. For example, if an analyst wanted to work out how much could be imported with the proceeds from a particular level of exports then it would be necessary to use exchange rates rather than PPPs.

    Question: What does it mean if a PPP differs from the corresponding exchange rate?

    Answer: The simple example above of the price of a litter of Coca Cola in France and the USA can show the implication of any such divergence. For example, if the PPP for GDP turned out to be 7.50 francs to the dollar and the actual exchange rate was 6.00 francs to the dollar, an American changing dollars for francs at this exchange rate would find the level of prices in France higher than at home.
    Last edited by Don1; November 14, 2010, 10:21 AM.
    TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

    Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

    D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

  • #2
    Yes this is my final answer... no more time fi dis fooliniss
    TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

    Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

    D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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    • #3
      (real)

      constant 2008 ? wha dat mean ?

      LOL !!! woieee.. !!

      From Mathematically Impossible to.. debatable..

      It has been my pleasure to bring you down several notches.. yuh muss thank me, yuh recklessness coulda lead to worse..

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      • #4
        it all depends on the curve...a bigger curve could have the economy growing at 12%... now that would really be great!

        Now I will leave you to your "victory".... in your own mind...

        Mek Jamaicans enjoy the robust "growth"
        TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

        Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

        D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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        • #5
          Growth ?

          if only average income was pegged soley to growth...

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          • #6
            in macro economics income and production are one & the same... an average income increase is the same as average output/person increase.. the difference is semantic only

            Even Silicon Valley economists should be aware of that...but I digress mi gawn

            Enjoy the phantom growth
            TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

            Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

            D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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            • #7
              well den mek wi wait on dat report...

              meanwhile...

              man juss a dis di Diaspora suh.. yuh nuh even want wi benefit from di Brain Drain none atall....

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