watchya. likkle Bruce look like him

[Lazie]

Some points:

Yuh dun kno seh mi nuh inna PNP..di less said about dem at the moment...di betta. Wen dem reform demself an start spell sense mi will tek anedda look see

Mi nah look fi di Govament resign. Dem serve out dem term yes. What this situation DEMANDS is that Gelding reveals the entire truth of the matter of the defence of a known Narco terrorist by the state.....afta dat peeple cyan judge wha dem waan do wid im. Dis situation is far too serious fi juss ah hang suh fi months

If im don't fess up...he should be forced out after this immediate security operation is over...JLP cyan gwaan do dem ting

Natural justice demands either a confession or resignation...or both.

" What this situation DEMANDS is that Gelding reveals the entire truth of the matter of the defence of a known Narco terrorist by the state....."

and if the state wasn't defending a know narco terrorist what is there to reveal?

[Muadib]

But I thought the Narco Terrorist was behind bars ?

Is wheh kinda defence dat ?

All him haffi seh is him was ah fallah Switzerland lead but it nevah work out..

[Mosiah]

the heights of slackness. but i am happy he said it. he just doesn't get it.

much of jamaica, if not most, apart from labourites like some on this forum, wanted and expected him to resign. but how where they going to be heard?

yuh tink dem boo him at di stadum because they were disappointed he wasn't there?!?

i dare bruce to show his lying face at a public gathering and he will find out if it was only an exercise page amount of people wanted him to go.

[Muadib]

lol !

Good one.

[Muadib]

Who get more boo dan PJ.. when last him guh stadium..

Dis is working out much better than I could have expected.. how it feel ?

[MissLondon]

Well, as they went behind closed doors the press overheard her asking the PM the status of the IMF negotiations. I recall the self proclamied experts on this forum and elsewhere saw it as a message of Dudus or no deal.

Think back to the night the PM annouced that the request was being moved forward, what major announcement was made the same day? I wonder if the Teabaggers can tell us?

Hmmm interesting. I personally don't think Bruce believed he could have successfully defended Dudus against the extradition, if indeed that was what he was even trying to do.

[Mosiah]

Hmmm interesting. I personally don't think Bruce believed he could have successfully defended Dudus against the extradition, if indeed that was what he was even trying to do.

den why him waste everybody time? and mash up every ounce of integrity or decency he may have had?!

[MissLondon]

den why him waste everybody time? and mash up every ounce of integrity or decency he may have had?!

I think he was buying time.

[Don1]

" What this situation DEMANDS is that Gelding reveals the entire truth of the matter of the defence of a known Narco terrorist by the state....."

and if the state wasn't defending a know narco terrorist what is there to reveal?

Reveal the truth yute man....wherever it may lead. The truth will set your hero free...or set us free from his lying ways.

Either way Jamaica wins...the fate of Gelding the politician is of little consequence....except to his fellow tribalists like yuhself

[Karl]

ah get bringle

"But Golding, in lashing his critics on Sunday, emphasised that he was "only accountable to the Jamaican people".

"...So when organistions call for me to resign... and if you were to audit some of their membership, it probably fill one sheet of exercise book," he said.

He acknowledged, however, that the groups of persons calling for his resignations have their "constituency of interest" which they have every right to pursue.

"They must, however, be a little cautious and a little guarded before pretending to be able to speak for you and people like you," he told the enthusiastic party supporters."

:0

Likle Brucie get brave again.
Uncle Sam tek im name offa dem "associated with criminals" list?

[Mosiah]

then why did he apologise to the Jamaican people if is ongle a tiny number did bringle?!?

he is an ass and he needs to resign now!

[Karl]

Killing and detention of the innocent in Tivoli incursion

Killing and detention of the innocent in Tivoli incursion
Ken Chaplin

Tuesday, July 20, 2010

A large number of innocent people living in Tivoli Gardens have suffered a double whammy. Many of the people killed and injured in the May incursion by the security forces were innocent bystanders, according to reports.

Some were killed after the security forces had successfully completed the initial assault of removing the armed barricade mounted by criminals in the community. Now don't get me wrong. The security forces had a duty to remove the barricade. It is wrong to bar the military and police from entering any community and the people who did it were misguided and suffered the consequences. The mopping-up exercise seems to have been brutal with some people reportedly killed in cold blood and properties methodically destroyed. Was vengeance in the air after a soldier was killed?


Residents of Tivoli watch as soldiers patrol the area, early June. (Photo: Michael Gordon)
KEITH CLARKE... his killing was a tragic mistake



Residents of Tivoli watch as soldiers patrol the area, early June. (Photo: Michael Gordon)

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It also seems that insufficient work was done in the area of intelligence. Operations should have been based on reliable information as to the likely whereabouts of the people they wanted, assuming they were gathering information on the wanted men and women over the years.

A tragic mistake in the state of emergency was the brutal killing of an innocent citizen, accountant Keith Clarke, at his home at Kirkland Heights, St Andrew, in front of his wife and daughter. Some reports say that believing he was Christopher "Dudus" Coke, the Tivoli Gardens strongman who was wanted on a deportation order, the security forces shot Clarke 20 times,15 times in his back. It so happens that the house they were looking for was one mile away.Poor intelligence! It is full time the country heard the result of the investigation and why no one has yet been charged for manslaughter. The emergency regulations do not make any soldier or policeman immune from the law.


The treatment of some of the people detained under the state of emergency regulations was inhuman. For example, women were sleeping on concrete beds using newspaper as bed sheets.

One young man vomited blood for three days before receiving medical treatment and 61 detainees were placed in a room built to accommodate fewer than 20. It could not be the intention of the emergency regulations for people to be treated like animals.

Under the state of emergency, some people have been detained indefinitely without any justification. They were just picked up and detained by the security forces without any particulars on the detention order as to why they had been detained. This is wrong and unacceptable, and clearly a breach of human rights. There were similar occurrences during the 1976 state of emergency which were criticised by lawyers. We did not expect a return to those days.

Having said all of the foregoing, this column supports the state of emergency in principle. What I am critical of is the way some aspects were carried out. The preparations to hold the detainees were inadequate and it appears that insufficient thought was given to the matter. I do not think that Minister of National Security Senator Dwight Nelson has been given sufficient credit for placing Tivoli Gardens under curfew, which enabled the security forces to smash the barricades and go in search of Coke and other wanted men.

I think the state of emergency served a critical purpose. For example, crime has decreased with the incidence of murder being reduced dramatically. It should be further extended to enable the police to deal effectively with criminals across the country, but there must be improvement in the detention facilities and preservation of human rights principles. It should be pointed out that the 1976 state of emergency lasted one year.

Both Dr Carolyn Gomes, Jamaicans for Justice's indomitable advocate of human rights and the head of Families Against State Terrorism, the vocal Yvonne McCalla-Sobers, have come out strongly against the extension of the continuation of the state of emergency. I agree with them that a state of emergency by itself cannot fight crime, and it does not make sense to detain thousands of people without any charge and hold them until the emergency ends.

Social intervention to change the lives of the people and a state of emergency to rein in the criminals must go hand in hand, at least until the situation is stabilised. I worked among gang leaders in the Peace Movement in Kingston and St Andrew as well as with the police after the state of emergency ended in 1976, and we saw that as soon as pressure by the security forces was taken off criminals and wrongdoers, crime and violence escalated. Of course, no social intervention programme was put in place.

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/colum...dens-incursion

[Mosiah]

Karl, check emails and respond, please!

[Mosiah]

A tragic mistake in the state of emergency was the brutal killing of an innocent citizen, accountant Keith Clarke, at his home at Kirkland Heights, St Andrew, in front of his wife and daughter. Some reports say that believing he was Christopher "Dudus" Coke, the Tivoli Gardens strongman who was wanted on a deportation order, the security forces shot Clarke 20 times,15 times in his back. It so happens that the house they were looking for was one mile away.Poor intelligence! It is full time the country heard the result of the investigation and why no one has yet been charged for manslaughter. The emergency regulations do not make any soldier or policeman immune from the law.

I suppose MissLondon would say it was all worth it. And could not have been prevented.

[MissLondon]

I suppose MissLondon would say it was all worth it. And could not have been prevented.

Well yes, if it brings about the beginning if the end of the slaughter of thousands of jamaicans, it was worth it. Most definitely!