From Kabul To Kingston

[Willi]

Cant argue with that.

[Willi]

Like fly buzz round spilt honey! LoL

[Willi]

Dont be fooled to think that its Afghan fault only.

Taliban gave oli pipeline concessions to the Argentines and Cheney dem bringle. Soon dem tek over from the Taliban and Unocal magically get the concession instead. Plus the poppy supply exploded. 2 fi One play. LoL

[Don1]

Dont be fooled to think that its Afghan fault only.

Taliban gave oli pipeline concessions to the Argentines and Cheney dem bringle. Soon dem tek over from the Taliban and Unocal magically get the concession instead. Plus the poppy supply exploded. 2 fi One play. LoL

true dat

[ReggaeMike]

Army tactics in Jamaica resemble those used in Afghanistan – and it's no mere coincidence:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...my-afghanistan

By the very second paragraph one can see this isn't a very properly researched article:

From Kabul to Kingston

Army tactics in Jamaica resemble those used in Afghanistan – and it's no mere coincidence

Richard Drayton
The Guardian, Monday 14 June 2010


For two weeks, the Jamaican army and police have fought gun battles in Kingston. The many allegations of human rights abuses committed by the security forces – including extrajudicial killings and the disposal of bodies – have received almost no international attention. Nor have the linkages between the Jamaican crisis, the security establishments in the US, Britain and Canada, and the mutations of the "war on terror".

But strategy and tactics deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan are being applied in Jamaica. Drones fly over Kingston, and were used in the 24 May assault to select targets....

I'm still amazed that people are calling the manned P-3 Orion a "drone". The picture was in The Gleaner and as clear as a noon sky over the desert. Granted The Gleaner incorrectly labelled it a drone, but the cockpit was quite obvious in the picture.

[Don1]

there were other smaller UFOs flying over the city.... would not be surprised if they were surveillance drones

That's a capability I have suggested the JDF acquire asap

[ReggaeMike]

That's news to me because all the pictures shown of the aircraft in question, whether in The Gleaner or online or the video that was shown on TV were of a P-3. It would be odd that no pics were taken since videos and photos of drones over Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq were quite widespread and easy to come across (the drones fly relatively slowly and usually not very, very high unlike say the U-2 or the SR-71).

The JDF should definitely acquire drones though. And not just fixed-wing drones, but helicopter drones as well. I know they are trying to acquire new helicopters to replace the two that crashed, but for less than 1/15th the price of a regular helicopter they could acquire a basic drone and attach a few cameras to it.

[Don1]

That's news to me because all the pictures shown of the aircraft in question, whether in The Gleaner or online or the video that was shown on TV were of a P-3. It would be odd that no pics were taken since videos and photos of drones over Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq were quite widespread and easy to come across (the drones fly relatively slowly and usually not very, very high unlike say the U-2 or the SR-71).

The JDF should definitely acquire drones though. And not just fixed-wing drones, but helicopter drones as well. I know they are trying to acquire new helicopters to replace the two that crashed, but for less than 1/15th the price of a regular helicopter they could acquire a basic drone and attach a few cameras to it.

I saw images o a small aircraft cruising above Kingston...type indeterminate

Agree re helicopter drones...that's exactly what the JDF needs. I have posted multiple times on that

[Rockman]

Always felt that Seaga's only worthy contribution to Jamaica is one JP will never know as it has to start with an admission, but clearly a rift developed and it the reason wasn't the shower posse.
I alluded to the very thing in a previous post, the sad truth is our Govt used tactics that were applied by occupiers.
Even Phillips spoke of the longstanding relationship between The Ministry of National Security and various law enforcement agencies in the US.I am mindful of the speech given by a US official after the TG massacre, he reiterated their steadfast desire to get Dudus,perhaps it was an editing problem but from what I heard no mention of the many people killed so they could get Dudus. I really would like to know if the tactics used to breach TG came from apathetic outsiders.
US security personnels were at camp, and they already went high tech(satellite monitoring)so the use of drones is possible. Frankly speaking it is the least of our worries as the question of origin of strategy is paramount.
Looks like Bruce is in good company, our army has their very own Minnatt(Sp-US law firm)well actually far far worse.



Blessed

[ReggaeMike]

I saw images o a small aircraft cruising above Kingston...type indeterminate

On a video that was provided via TVJ or CVM? A "small", white aircraft? Did it look something like this (maybe a little smaller or more distant), only pointing in the other direction and against a mostly blue sky?



I saw such a video as well on one of the stations and it was hard to pick it out at first, but then the four engine points along the wings were distinguishable which meant it couldn't have been any of the known drones since all US military drones are either jet powered (with the jet engine somewhere on the fuselage) or pusher propeller driven (with the propeller facing backwards and usually attached at the end of the fuselage, frequently there is only a single propeller as well).

See the pics below:

Pusher propeller driven MQ-1 Predator



Jet propelled RQ-4 Global Hawk

Agree re helicopter drones...that's exactly what the JDF needs. I have posted multiple times on that

Yep. Something like this would work fine:

MQ-8 Fire Scout:



With a operational range of just over 100 miles they would only really need to station 2 aircraft, one in Kingston and one in MoBay to cover any part of the island within an hour at a moment's notice. Given the way US military equipment is developed though I wouldn't be surprised if this was as expensive as a regular commercial helicopter though or if it ran into the millions of US dollars. Something more basic (and cheaper), with a shorter range would probably work out just as well.

[Don1]

From the image I saw it was not possible to determine the type on station over Kingston but it was probably a turbofan powered model not a rotocraft.

Those drones you show are elaborate and probably more performance than we need...or can afford

JDF needs something appropriate like the S100 or some Israeli model.... Israeli Aircraft Industries is probably the world leader in the smaller systems

[Don1]

From the image I saw it was not possible to determine the type on station over Kingston but it was probably a turbofan powered model not a rotocraft.

Those drones you show are elaborate and probably more performance than we need...or can afford

JDF needs something appropriate like the S100 or some Israeli model.... Israeli Aircraft Industries is probably the world leader in the smaller systems

Even when JA security services become aware of the tech...they don't choose the correct solutions. They choose some off the shelf consumer UAV with 30-40 mins endurance when much more appropriate platforms are available.

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