****oh My God A Brown Man Was Killed****

[Islandman]

Not adding up at all. But that just goes to show that what Bricktop is saying is true more often than not.

Uptown the public gives the benefit of the doubt to the victims family, downtown they give it to the security forces.

[Muadib]

Well.. that is because Uptown people are more upstanding...

[Gamma]

honourary brown man?

[Muadib]

yuh nuh hear seh Jamaicans are not Black ?

[Gamma]

whey my memo?!

[Muadib]

well.. check di Merican dem.. is dem mi hear it from..

"You're not Black, you're Jamaican..."

huh ?

[ReggaeMike]

Not adding up at all. But that just goes to show that what Bricktop is saying is true more often than not.

Uptown the public gives the benefit of the doubt to the victims family, downtown they give it to the security forces.

I find that it usually depends on the circumstances and the stories given by the victims' families.

Some downtown areas get the benefit of the doubt, most likely because they are telling the truth (the truth doesn't require a good memory) or because they come up with a believable story to counter the police claims. For instance the story given by the girlfriend of one of the 3 men killed in Back Bush off Mountain View is very, very believable. The only problem with it is that it contradicts another version of events reported to the newspapers by residents in the area. On the other hand the Hannah Town excuse given some weeks ago (the upstanding gentlemen were sleeping in their beds with marinas, shorts and dirty shoes during mid-day on a work day and the police shot them in cold blood while they were sleeping) is farcical and leaves far too many holes (like how did 2 or 3 policemen get injured? Did they shoot themselves? Do we really have that many people in the army and police force who will habitually shoot themselves to make their story believable?). The excuses given by some (not all) from Tivoli on TV....well...can only be believed if you think goblins, unicorns and fairies are real. The fact that one even went so far as to basically say that it is wrong for gunmen to be shot in front of their mothers and girlfriends makes it next to impossible for a lot of people (especially those who have lost friends or family to such gunmen) to feel sympathy.

Kentucky Kid's story is quite believable because it is almost certainly true and the poor soul had excellent video evidence. Hill certainly wasn't brown and I don't believe he lived uptown (isn't the place where he lived in Cross Roads or between Cross Roads and Half-Way-Tree or New Kingston?) unless we are considering everywhere except Greater Tivoli to be "uptown". Hill was a DJ but didn't seem obscenely wealthy.

Clarke's family's story though just doesn't add up and given the other rumours circulating (some of which make far more sense than their story) I would not in the least bit be surprised if we later find that Clarke was mixed up in something.

[Muadib]

other rumours ??

Don1 ahready tell yuh seh him was not Dudus accountant..

What else ? Dominos partners ?

[ReggaeMike]

No other rumours involving his arriving at home (not likely given the time), other houses involved in the shootout, who may or may not have owned one or more of the houses. Things like that.

That Keith Clarke is brother to a former PNP minister and both the PNP and JLP have links to these drug gangs also makes the Clarke's family story seem more doubtful than say Kentucky Kid/Robert Hill's family's story.

[ReggaeMike]

Well duh! Remember for some of them if you aren't African-American (the key word being American) then you can't use certain labels to describe yourself. Silly on their part, but that's their logic.

[Muadib]

um..well ok..but why kill him in that mannah... sound like an execution..him ah nuh ghetto yute..

[ReggaeMike]

well it only sound like an execution if we go by the relatives' story 100%. But which execution going to tek 2 hours of firing guns sometimes with heavy rounds? If they were just executing him alone then by now there shouldn't be anything left of his body after all dem bullets.

and how u or mi know seh him a nuh ghetto yute? 'Im could be uptown ghetto for all we know.

[Bricktop]

well it only sound like an execution if we go by the relatives' story 100%. But which execution going to tek 2 hours of firing guns sometimes with heavy rounds? If they were just executing him alone then by now there shouldn't be anything left of his body after all dem bullets.

and how u or mi know seh him a nuh ghetto yute? 'Im could be uptown ghetto for all we know.

So back to the issue, why the emotional outcry over his death?

[Willi]

Is white americans seh so!

[Don1]

No other rumours involving his arriving at home (not likely given the time), other houses involved in the shootout, who may or may not have owned one or more of the houses. Things like that.

That Keith Clarke is brother to a former PNP minister and both the PNP and JLP have links to these drug gangs also makes the Clarke's family story seem more doubtful than say Kentucky Kid/Robert Hill's family's story.

ReggaeMike ...this speculation of yours is really a huge leap even given the confusion surrounding the incident. Why would a family connection to either party make the account of his family unbelievable? That itself doesn't add up.

Most Jamaicans have political connections of some sort....so I guess virtually everyone's testimony in such a case could be tainted. Besides...the shooting was NOT in the context of a political war....but a popular assault against criminals.

The police apparently engaged gunmen at another house or houses nearby the site of the fatal shooting...then moved to Clarke's house for reasons unknown....it could be that their original targets fled in that direction,

Clarke has no known or reported association with criminality...but was a licensed firearm owner and found his house invaded in the middle of a long running gun battle.

This is a case of police bungling....there are quite a few of these every year..but usually not in areas like Kirkland Heights.