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  • Dis is wah mi a talk bout Willi ...Constitutional reform !

    Nick Clegg: tell us the laws that you want scrapped

    The most radical redistribution of power from the state to the people for 200 years is to be made by the new coalition Government, Nick Clegg is to claim.



    By Andrew Porter, Political Editor
    Published: 11:59PM BST 18 May 2010


    Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg during a meeting in 10 Downing Street Photo: REUTERS


    The public will be asked what laws they want ripped up, in far-reaching reforms designed to put back “faith in politics”, the Deputy Prime Minister will say.

    The reordering of power will sweep away Labour legislation and new criminal offences deemed to have eroded personal freedom.


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    It will involve the end of the controversial ID cards scheme, the scrapping of universal DNA databases – in which the records of thousands of innocent people have been stored – and restrictions placed on internet records. The use of CCTV cameras will also be reviewed.
    Dubbed the “Great Reform Act”, the measures will close down the ContactPoint children’s database. Set up by Labour last year, it includes detailed information on all 11 million youngsters under 18.
    In addition, schools will not be able to take a child’s fingerprint without parental permission.
    In an attempt to protect freedom of speech, ministers will review libel laws, while limits on peaceful protest will be removed.
    Mr Clegg said the Government wanted to establish “a fundamental resettlement of the relationship between state and citizen that puts you in charge”.
    In a speech in London he will say: “This Government is going to transform our politics so the state has far less control over you, and you have far more control over the state. This Government is going to break up concentrations of power and hand power back to people, because that is how we build a society that is fair.”
    He will describe the plans as “the biggest shake-up of our democracy since 1832, when the Great Reform Act redrew the boundaries of British democracy, for the first time extending the franchise beyond the landed classes”.
    Mr Clegg has been the most vocal of the three main party leaders arguing for political reform since The Daily Telegraph exposed the expenses scandal a year ago.
    Today, he can put in train the measures which, he claims, will deliver “a power revolution”.
    He will say that reform will not simply mean “a few new rules for MPs [or] the odd gesture or gimmick to make you feel a bit more involved”.
    Mr Clegg will announce that he wants to hear about which laws should be scrapped to roll back the state encroachment into people’s lives.
    “As we tear through the statute book, we’ll do something no government ever has: We will ask you which laws you think should go.
    “Because thousands of criminal offences were created under the previous government. Taking people’s freedom away didn’t make our streets safe.
    “Obsessive law-making simply makes criminals out of ordinary people. So, we’ll get rid of the unnecessary laws – and once they’re gone, they won’t come back.
    “We will introduce a mechanism to block pointless new criminal offences.”
    The measures to repeal so-called surveillance state laws will be included in next week’s Queen’s Speech.
    Under the coalition agreement, Mr Clegg and David Cameron said they would end “the storage of internet and email regulations and email records without good reason”.
    This is likely to mean the end of plans for the Government and the security services to intercept and keep emails and text messages.
    The £224 million ContactPoint database can be accessed by 300,000 people working in health, education, social care and youth justice – leading to fears it could be exploited or fall into the wrong hands.
    Mr Clegg will add: “It is outrageous that decent, law-abiding people are regularly treated as if they have something to hide. It has to stop.
    “This will be a government that is proud when British citizens stand up against illegitimate advances of the state. That values debate, that is unafraid of dissent.”



    THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

    "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


    "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

  • #2
    While the British are rapidly trying to get rid of their outdated Wesminster system, we are holding on to it for dear life.
    Talk about mental salvery.
    Getb rid of that sill system of governance, and the British educational system shortlyb thereafter.

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    • #3
      How about that which laws you want scrapped , what about which laws you want to be added !

      1) MPs live in thier constituency

      2)MPs to give up constituency if elected as P.M

      3)Term Limits

      4)An independent Judiciary !

      Scappped.

      1) Ganja illegal

      2) Drinking after 9.pm
      THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

      "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


      "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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      • #4
        mmmmm?

        Terrorists mus a kick puppa-lick?
        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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        • #5
          But X, this isn't constitutional reform.

          It is just simple legislation.

          Remember the PATRIOT Act in the US isn't considered as a constitutional amendment and these laws are along the same lines.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by X View Post
            How about that which laws you want scrapped , what about which laws you want to be added !

            1) MPs live in thier constituency

            2)MPs to give up constituency if elected as P.M

            3)Term Limits

            4)An independent Judiciary !

            Scappped.

            1) Ganja illegal

            2) Drinking after 9.pm
            well let me add to them:

            to be added:

            5) constituency boundaries to be redrawn (radically) every 10 years

            6) campaigning to be limited

            to be scrapped:

            ....will get back to that later

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            • #7
              Boss as I understand it , reform could mean ammendment , dissolution even termination as long as a new one is set up , hopefully it would be better for the nation.
              THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

              "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


              "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by X View Post
                Boss as I understand it , reform could mean ammendment , dissolution even termination as long as a new one is set up , hopefully it would be better for the nation.
                Right, but what I'm saying is that nothing in the Liberal-Conservative agenda in that article has anything to do with the way the government is constituted. It certainly is a good legislative agenda, but it isn't constitutional reform by any stretch.

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                • #9
                  Thats one article from a newspaper , google the rest ..lolol.
                  THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

                  "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


                  "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by X View Post
                    Thats one article from a newspaper , google the rest ..lolol.
                    Wha? But king, I already know about the proposed referendum. What other than that is constitutional reform?

                    The thing is the term "constitutional reform" sounds nice and gets bandied about often enough that over time it has begun and will continue to lose its original meaning. What this article describes is legislative reform (but that poor term is like some bastard step-child of the term "constitutional reform" and is hardly ever used even though it doesn't confuse the issues at had as the other term does).

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                    • #11
                      Its a step Boss, have we even done that as it pertains to getting the people more involved in the shitstem ?
                      THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

                      "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


                      "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by X View Post
                        Its a step Boss, have we even done that as it pertains to getting the people more involved in the shitstem ?
                        You're right we haven't. The equivalent step out here would be crime legislation and harsher penalties for existing legislation (which having been drawn up in the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s could never have imagined the day the Jamaican dollar was 90:1 to the US dollar and so has these fines which seem ridiculously light today).

                        Maybe we should ask Nick Clegg for all those CCTV cameras they are going to take down. Then maybe the police can actually catch some people and some sanity might return to the roads (later as people get into the habit the cameras can then be made inactive or replaced with dummy cameras and then eventually removed altogether).

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                        • #13
                          You said you read it , so let me refresh your memory a little .

                          A.V. and Other Forms of Electoral Reform
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                          May 14, 2010 Martin Oldfield

                          Electoral reform is being discussed in the UK. Nick Clegg, the Deputy PM, has special responsibility for political and constitutional reform

                          There has been increasing interest in electoral reform in the UK, particularly since the 2009 Parliamentary expenses scandal. AV is one, albeit limited, response to the calls for change.

                          The Deputy Prime Minister, Nick Clegg, will take charge of electoral and constitutional reform. In 2011 an Act is likely to be passed leading the way to a referendum on the subject. It has been agreed that Conservative MPs would be free to campaign against a change to the present system, if they so wish.

                          The Alternative Vote (AV)
                          This is a voting system intended for use in elections to a legislature. It is used in London mayoral elections, for the Australian House of Representatives and during Irish presidential elections. It is sometimes known as Instant Runoff.

                          Instant runoff voting is usually referred to as Alternative Voting in the United Kingdom; Preferential Voting, in Canada and Australia; and Ranked Choice Voting, or Ranked Voting in the United States.

                          AV is not a form of Proportional Representation (PR) but does represent a modest step in the direction of electoral reform.

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                          The election for the new Labour Party leader will use AV. It is possible that AV will be used if there are elections for the House of Lords, but this has not yet been decided.

                          The AV System Described
                          Under AV, candidates are still elected, as at present, from single-member constituencies under the Alternative Vote (AV) system.

                          Instead of putting a cross next to one person on a ballot paper as at present, voters rank candidates in order of preference. If none gets a majority of first preference votes, the candidate who comes last is eliminated. The second preference votes on the loser’s ballot papers are then given to other candidates. This continues until one candidate has more than 50% of votes and is declared the winner.

                          The main concern regarding the current first-past-the-post system (FPTP) has been the “waste” of votes in those constituencies regarded as being “safe seats”. The “Winner Takes All” system, it is argued, effectively disenfranchises all those people who did not vote for the winner. Most winning political parties will come to power elected only by a minority of the electorate.

                          The Alternative Vote Plus (AV+) system is a refinement of AV. This would be more acceptable to the Liberal Democrats.

                          Unlike the Additional Member System (AMS), AV would not achieve full proportionality, but would correct some of the disparity caused by constituency elections under FPTP.

                          Advantages of the AV System
                          AV would require relatively minor modifications to the existing system and would maintain single-member constituencies.
                          AV would be more likely than entirely proportional systems to prevent extremist parties or fringe parties from winning seats .
                          AV would lessen the problems of "split voting" and the necessity of tactical voting.
                          Many argue that AV is too modest a reform, is not true PR, and could even lead to less proportional results as a result of exaggerating swings against an unpopular government. There is no prize, except for the winner, so it is still a "winner takes all" system, as with the current first-past-the-post (FPTP) system.

                          Criticisms of the AV System
                          From FPTP supporters:

                          It is more complex for voters than FPTP.
                          From STV (Single Transferable Vote) supporters:

                          It is not sufficiently proportional.
                          It is too likely, as with FPTP, to lead to one-party government.
                          It will not eliminate "safe seats".
                          From AMS supporters:

                          It is not proportional enough.
                          It is too likely to lead to one-party government.
                          Generally seats in the House of Commons still don’t reflect the overall share of the vote. In some cases MPs will win seats on second and third preference votes without being anyone’s first choice. MPs could get a sound numerical mandate, but a flimsy moral one.

                          Reaction to Possible Changes to the Voting System in the UK
                          The Jenkins commission on electoral reform reported in 1998 recommending changes. The Prime Minister, Tony Blair, praised Lord Jenkins for his work and gave the report a cautious welcome.

                          However, leading figures in the Cabinet at the time (e.g. Home Secretary Jack Straw, Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott, Chancellor Gordon Brown, Margaret Beckett, the Labour National Executive Committee) all strongly opposed any reform of the voting system and effectively blocked the chance of any change.

                          The report was welcomed by the Liberal Democrats and the Scottish National Party although at the time, the Liberal Democrats remained largely committed to Single Transferable Vote (STV). Currently, the Liberal Democrats wish to see the implementation of the AV+ system if STV cannot be achieved.

                          The Labour and Conservative parties were against any reform in the FPTP voting system. Whilst there are still opponents of change in both parties, there is a change in opinion, to an extent, in both parties.



                          Read more at Suite101: A.V. and Other Forms of Electoral Reform http://news.suite101.com/article.cfm...#ixzz0rFxlnOHv
                          THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

                          "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


                          "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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                          • #14
                            Let me be clear, I am in now way advocating that we develop a reformative system like a particular , parlimentarian or republican nation , we need our own reforms to deal with our nepotistic culture where conflict of interest and garrisons are a way of life.

                            Blessed !
                            THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

                            "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


                            "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by X View Post
                              Let me be clear, I am in now way advocating that we develop a reformative system like a particular , parlimentarian or republican nation , we need our own reforms to deal with our nepotistic culture where conflict of interest and garrisons are a way of life.

                              Blessed !
                              Yes boss, agree totally.

                              That's why we need MPs to live in the area which they represent. Since they don't have the honour to do so without being told then they must be told.

                              Likewise the areas represented should be dynamic. None of this "East Portland" foolishness going back decades. One shouldn't be able to look on a map today and see the same constituency as existed decades ago. It should change so that politicians have to keep on their toes and broaden their scope when it comes to representing people.

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