No to Dudus extradition, no to US demands

[Exile]

Ditto. Yes, I am a lazy, literate, lout. No take that back...just reflecting, retiring and relaxing....

[ReggaeMike]

There is so much manure in this article that I'm sure he could make a killing if he sold this to farmers:

No to Dudus extradition, no to US demands


Wednesday, April 21, 2010

While the US continues to subject Jamaica to its superpower one-upmanship over the Christopher "Dudus" Coke affair, many Jamaicans continue to sleepwalk with "matter" in their eyes concerning that and other global geopolitical developments.

Although it will always be true that there are none as blind as those who will not see, and although no amount of preaching, teaching or writing can inject common sense into brainwashed "sheeple", those who love Jamaica and its people must continue to try to rouse Jamaican sleepers from their socio-political slumber.

Based on the talk on Jamaican streets, radio-show and television comments, Internet blogs and newspaper articles dealing with the Coke case, certain camps among Jamaicans and people with vested interests in Jamaica can be identified.

I guess he means the camps that don't like the idea that someone accused of importing illegal guns into Jamaica that are used to kill their friends and family isn't allowed to face trial like the rest of us common-folk would have to if similar charges were brought against us. The same class which also feels uncomfortable that the same person can be defended by a government senator/lawyer, get loads of contracts of questionable integrity and stage regular dances (not even just once a year dances) that a number of times have flouted noise-restriction laws.

Yet, one gets the impression that among the majority of Jamaicans who should be concerned about this case, namely, the poor and the common people,

Hmm....now why should the "poor and common people" be concerned about this case if this man is just an ordinary man? And he most certainly is not poor like the people who should supposedly be concerned about him.

The US game of imperialism has utilised the same strategies with slight modifications throughout its history. Strategy number one is for the US to give up the least and gain the most, using every method from deception to brute force. Not enough Jamaicans read US history, especially the massacre of the Native Americans, perhaps because Jamaicans became completely mesmerised by US propaganda movies featuring Indians and lawmen.

Yup, because Barack Obama exterminated the Indians and sent them on their Trail of Tears. He also instituted slavery, Jim Crow and Segregation and famously said "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" on the steps of the former Confederate Capitol (the building, not the city which would be "capital") in 1963. That bastard. How dare he follow Lincoln, Kennedy, FDR and Johnson!

Too few Jamaicans understand that the US plants groups and individuals in Jamaica to orchestrate US policies, including the destabilisation of Jamaica, as seen in the Michael Manley era. Very often those US puppets are Jamaicans - including politicians, professionals and people from any level - who are bribed, blackmailed or brutalised to play their parts.

Brutalized? Oh yeah, that's why all these ministers getting slapped down don't it?

The greatest need, therefore, is for this camp of Jamaicans, the innocent ignoramuses,

I thought this camp was brainwashed? So they can be brainwashed and at the same time ignorant (as in totally unaware)?


US strategy number two is a kind of distraction that approaches deception but which runs much deeper than any one issue or development. The Dudus debacle is a classic case. The US always uses groups and individuals to do its dirty work and then disposes of those suckers. The JLP did some dirty work for America during the Manley years and it might be "sucker time".

There might be connections between the Buju Banton arrest, the courageous stand of Prime Minister Golding against the homosexuality that the US is promoting worldwide, and the Coke case.

This is right up there with the conspiracy theories that Kennedy is alive, man didn't land on the moon and aliens control the US government.

So now I suppose the US government got a Buju impersonator to sniff a powder or they tricked Buju into thinking it was a sugar-based inhalant that was good for memory recall.

The only "connexion" between Buju, Golding, homosexuality and Coke is that none of the three (as far as we know are homosexual) and two or even all three of them may have breached some Jamaican and/or American laws. Of course only in the case of Buju will there seemingly be a trial in which this can substantiated - Buju may yet get off if he can explain what happened.

This camp containing Jamaicans and non-Jamaicans, the licky-lickey lucre lovers are those for whom the US can do no wrong and for whom Jamaica can do nothing right. They lack analytical ability, spout overworked clichés and paddle in ad hominem Portia-potties.

Considering that Clovis is probably among this group, it must be a very artificial grouping since Clovis is among the last people to "paddle in ad hominem Portia-potties". Quite frankly I don't give a damn about Portia and wish she, Davies and even Phillips would just do us a favour for once and disappear along with the Goldings (the two of them), Samuda, Shaw, Spencer, Roberts, Robertson, Vaz, etc.

It will take enlightenment from Yeshua Messiah, or timely repentance when their turn comes to be US suckers, to help that camp. Yet, every single Jamaican is important and should be helped to see the light, if at all possible.

Given his disparaging remarks about a certain "group" of Jamaicans earlier, this part must have been written by a second author because it is hard to see how one can spend paragraphs calling people sycophants, "licky-lickey lucre lovers", "brainwashed", "ignoramuses" and so forth and then in the end call them "important".

I won't be as hypocritical - this fella (or fellas) is not only spouting crap, but is cowardly (no name on article) and foolish and only important insofar as he can spread half-truths and lies.

There is also a guild of pathetic pragmatists who deliberately support US policies that they know to be immoral and evil, simply because it is the "wise" thing to do to remain in US favour so as not to lose business, lose visa, or otherwise suffer recrimination.

The former section must have been written by a second author because now he (or they) go back to using such accolades as "pathetic" to describe "important" people.

I guess it never occurred to him though that it might be "wise" for a person who is accused of drug- and gun-running and for who evidence has supposedly been gathered to have his day in court, if even simply to clear his name and have the proper authorities (i.e. the judicial arm of the state) determine the legality of the case and if legal, the case itself....you know, as would happen to the rest of us (but maybe not this anonymous author) in a similar situation.

This camp makes it easy for the US to perpetrate its strategy of using Trojan horse gifts to manipulate and exploit Jamaica. They grab at straw arguments to support extradition for Coke and proffer non sequitur ramblings and biased rancours against PM Golding and the Jamaican government.

If anything it is Golding's ramblings which are non sequitur. At various times he has claimed:

1. procedural flaws

2. illegal evidence

3. evidence legally gathered but then illegally passed on to the US

4. evidence not being sufficient

5. the case being special ("different" in Golding's own words) and relying on aspects of the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty while other extradition cases did not.

When these various claims have been made they have often been in isolation (so at first if I recall correctly) it was procedural errors/flaws with nothing being said about the evidence being supposedly illegally obtained by the US.

Some are opportunists who play the Coke conundrum for political points, while others try to curry US favour.

It is not totally unwise to play it safe at times, but members of this camp must remember that imperialism is no respecter of persons.

Neither are bullets.

It would be better for this guild to remain quietly neutral instead of bad-mouthing Jamaica.

So much for the idea of free speech and free thought. Basically the Observer, Herald, Gleaner, radio shows, etc should all talk about things like the latest fashion, the heaven-sent rains, football, cricket, track & field, astrology, astronomy, the latest plays and movies, etc instead of talking about the phenomenon which is claiming the lives of friends and family and it's possible causes.

Private sector groups, Opposition spokespersons, church organisations and media houses

That's a lot of ignoramuses. Didn't know that we didn't follow the idea of democracy anymore....you know, the idea of majority-rule which takes into account minority interests.

that kowtow to the US position in this Coke affair might be bordering on treachery,

Treachery? Oh right, the man is "president" nuh. How dare people ask that he step into a court of law.

The extradition treaty between Jamaica and the US is lopsided and pragmatically flawed.

He can thank Seaga who signed it in 1983.

It smells like an agreement between entities, one of which is more equal than the other.

No way! Does he mean to say that the US and Jamaica are equal in every respect? Or does he mean that the arrangement which existed before (the US nabbing who they wanted, when they wanted) was fairer?

In its Narcotics Report the US admits that 70 per cent of guns used in crimes in Jamaica come from the US, yet there is still only a one-way extradition from the weaker nation to the other.

Oddly, this extradition case also involves charges of smuggling guns illegally from the US, so it would seem that the US is at least trying to stem the flow of these illegal guns.

But then this bredda apparently believes that Jamaica has 300 million citizens and thousands upon thousands of well supported police officers with the resources necessary to trace the flow of these illegal weapons from its similarly sized and resourced neighbour.


Most of the agreements between the US and other nations mentioned in that report simply give licence for the US to have free run in those countries which in turn give up their sovereignty to US imperialism. Jamaica already suffers too much from such manipulation and exploitation from European, North American, and other nations and NGO groups.

This fight for Jamaican sovereignty and justice for Coke should not be a Golding gladiator bout but a cause in which every single conscientious Jamaican should stand up against US bullying.

"Get up, stand up. Stand up to get shot."

Thank God for the conscientious crew that analyses this extradition issue from the standpoint of Godly justice and divine righteousness.

Because as we all know, Golding and his supposed handler have a divine right from God like their predecessor Louis XIV.

It includes the Rev Al Miller, PM Golding, and others. If it were not for the spectre of imperialism, grounded in social Darwinism, overshadowing this issue, long ago there would have been delegations of diplomats from each country meeting behind closed doors to resolve this issue respectably,

So now the "eeevol" US is supposedly going to handle this respectfully behind closed doors if it wasn't for the "ignoramuses"? Wow, the ignoramuses really are important!

Too much "sufferation" among Jamaicans is being caused by foreigners.

So true. All of our problems are due to those dirty foreigners. They force us to live beyond our means and to borrow money to sustain it; they force our politicians to create garrisons (which politicians have acknowledged creating) and force Mark Golding to allude to the need to get funding from "unsavoury" sources due to the lack of support from private and corporate sources; they force us to form gangs at home and abroad which gain ill-repute and make countries afraid of our citizens and give them reasons/excuses to impose unjust visas on us; they force us to cut funding to education at various times in our history and thereby dumb-down the nation; they persuade and at times forcibly prevent our people from paying taxes to keep the state functioning; they force us to squander or resources and dilly-dally so that we don't really build any new infrastructure (save a few roads and Highway 2000) such as dams since those nasty Brits left us.

[Actually, one of our root problems is that we blame all or most of our problems on foreigners and foreign entities and slavery and colonialism. So our dysfunctional society with absent fathers is a result of slavery even though we don't see the same dysfunction in other former slave societies like Barbados or Dominica; our poor economic growth, low productivity, negative balance of trade, etc is due to CARICOM, the EU, the US and UK and various trade agreements even though other countries in the same boat don't have the same problem; our truly underperforming academic and business sector is the fault of all of these things (slavery, colonialism, modern "foreigners"), even though other countries with history of colonialism and societies that were once even more dysfunctional than Jamaica (e.g. Singapore) have long since outperformed us...]

Careful analysis of the Dudus case will help Jamaicans learn many vital lessons about how they are being exploited from without.

I would safe careful analysis would provide vital lessons of how we are being exploited from within.

Wake up and live, Jamaicans!

That is so ironic, it would be funny if it wasn't so sad that many Jamaicans will not wake up because their lives have been taken from them by bullets from guns, some of which have supposedly been illegally imported by the person he is defending.

[ReggaeMike]

yuh mean why isn't brucie protecting their rights?

Because they don't have any apparently. You can't protect what doesn't exist.

He basically said as much himself when he claimed that this case was different and relied partly on MLAT without really explaining how MLAT was involved in this case but not the countless others.

[Mosiah]

Great responses!

[ReggaeMike]

Great responses!

I will take back the bit about this fellow being cowardly though, because going on the link I find that his name is indeed there:

NO TO DUDUS EXTRADITION, NO TO US DEMANDS
Mervin Stoddart

Wednesday, April 21, 2010
While the US continues to subject Jamaic...

[ReggaeMike]

Tried to correct a couple things, but for some reason couldn't:

I thought this camp was brainwashed? So they can be brainwashed and at the same time ignorant (as in totally unaware)?


US strategy number two is a kind of distraction that approaches deception but which runs much deeper than any one issue or development. The Dudus debacle is a classic case. The US always uses groups and individuals to do its dirty work and then disposes of those suckers. The JLP did some dirty work for America during the Manley years and it might be "sucker time". [

That bit in bold should have been deleted.

This is right up there with the conspiracy theories that Kennedy is alive, man didn't land on the moon and aliens control the US government.

So now I suppose the US government got a Buju impersonator to sniff a powder or they tricked Buju into thinking it was a sugar-based inhalant that was good for memory recall.

The only "connexion" between Buju, Golding, homosexuality and Coke is that none of the three (as far as we know are homosexual) and two or even all three of them may have breached some Jamaican and/or American laws. Of course only in the case of Buju will there seemingly be a trial in which this can substantiated - Buju may yet get off if he can explain what happened.

That should read "is that none of the three (as far as we know) are homosexual and..."

[Mosiah]

I knew it was that fool. Isn't he a reverend?

I came across this a minute ago:

Not long ago, a Jamaica-born columnist who lives in Florida, Rev. Mervin Stoddart, praised Osama bin Laden in an Observer column. In another column, he compared America to Nazi Germany, calling it a racist society even worse than South Africa's apartheid regime.

the reverend has some personal issues he needs to sort out.

[ReggaeMike]

I knew it was that fool. Isn't he a reverend?

I came across this a minute ago:

the reverend has some personal issues he needs to sort out.

No, he just forgot to take his medication is all.

Surely anybody who can compare present-day America to Nazi Germany and say it was worse that apartheid South Africa must be in need of medication to control delusions. Any sane person would know that Nazi Germany was by far the worst (they gassed people and took out their gold teeth as treasure, shot people arbitrarily (and sometimes tied people together at gravesides and just shot one to save bullets), let people intentionally starve to the point of eating bark and experimented with making soap from murdered prisoners) and apartheid South Africa was light-years more horrible than anything that happens in the US today (passbooks, disenfranchisement, arbitrary police raids, forced into barren homelands).

The ironic thing is that he lives in Florida, which last time I checked was in the country he was comparing to Nazi Germany and apartheid South Africa. Pity we can't build a time machine and let him really live in those countries.

[Muadib]

you hope..

lol !

Mi tell unnuh leng time.. there is a good chance of Bruce coming out of this smelling like roses...

Unnastan yuh people..

[Don1]

you hope..

lol !

Mi tell unnuh leng time.. there is a good chance of Bruce coming out of this smelling like roses...

Unnastan yuh people..

keep hope alive Chemical

[Muadib]

yuh ah bet gainst Bruce on di Loose.. ?

careful..

[1of1]

exactly, I don't like the treaty, so if you a fight, fight fi everybody nuh jus one man(don) like yuh tek man fi fool

[Lionpaw]

yuh ah bet gainst Bruce on di Loose.. ?

careful..

u deh more pon di loose dan bruce.

[Don1]

u deh more pon di loose dan bruce.

im have nuff screw on the loose

[Rockman]

Barrack man, cho you kno mi did guh good school.
When a boatload of M16s reaches our shores, who should we extradite, the Haitians or the US officials that flooded Haiti with illegal guns in order to overthrow Aristide?
As common people, our only interest should how can Jamaica benefit while both leaders (Bruce and Barack)arbitrarily play their games.We have denied at least one extradition request before, it wasn't even challenged.Dudus appears meaty enough for us to make demands.
Bruce will likely be held accountable...comes election time.


Blessed