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  • Lots of Polish leaders dead in plane crash!

    Wow. 97 Polish officials including their president and his wife, army chief of staff, national bank president, deputy foreign minister, olympic committee head,....so sad.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100410/...xpc2hsZWFkZXI-

    Polish leader, 96 others dead in Russia jet crash



    AP – Poland's president dies in plane crash


    AP – This image from Polish Television's TVP via APTN shows a firefighter walking near some of the wreckage …

    By VICTORIA BURAVCHENKO and MONIKA SCISLOWSKA, Associated Press Writers – 43 mins ago

    SMOLENSK, Russia – Polish President Lech Kaczynski and some of the country's highest military and civilian leaders died on Saturday when the presidential plane crashed as it came in for a landing in thick fog in western Russia, killing 97, officials said.

    Russian and Polish officials said there were no survivors on the 26-year-old Tupolev, which was taking the president, his wife and staff to events marking the 70th anniversary of the massacre in Katyn forest of thousands of Polish officers by Soviet secret police.

    The crash devastated the upper echelons of Poland's political and military establishments. On board were the army chief of staff, the navy chief commander, and heads of the air and land forces. Also killed were the national bank president, deputy foreign minister, army chaplain, head of the National Security Office, deputy parliament speaker, Olympic Committee head, civil rights commissioner and at least two presidential aides and three lawmakers, the Polish foreign ministry said.

    Although initial signs pointed to an accident with no indication of foul play, the death of a Polish president and much of the Polish state and defense establishment in Russia en route to commemorating one of the saddest events in Poland's long, complicated history with Russia, was laden with tragic irony.
    Reflecting the grave sensibilities of the crash to relations between the two countries, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin personally assumed charge of the investigation. He was due in Smolensk later Saturday, where he would meet Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk, who was flying in from Warsaw.

    "This is unbelievable — this tragic, cursed Katyn," Kaczynski's predecessor, Aleksander Kwasniewski, said on TVN24 television.

    It is "a cursed place, horrible symbolism," he said. "It's hard to believe. You get chills down your spine."

    Andrei Yevseyenkov, spokesman for the Smolensk regional government, said Russian dispatchers asked the crew to divert from the military airport in North Smolensk and land instead in Minsk, the capital of neighboring Belarus, or in Moscow because of the fog.

    While traffic controllers generally have the final word in whether it is safe for a plane to land, they can and do leave it to the pilots' discretion....

  • #2
    Very tragic indeed. Big set back.

    We have a policy at work that no more than X amt. of senior management can travel on the same flight.
    Life is a system of half-truths and lies, opportunistic, convenient evasion.”
    - Langston Hughes

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    • #3
      Hand of Putin?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Willi View Post
        Hand of Putin?
        Yuh live a Europe - mind censorship reach yuh
        Life is a system of half-truths and lies, opportunistic, convenient evasion.”
        - Langston Hughes

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        • #5
          LoL.

          Putin is a fox....

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          • #6
            More like hand of Tupolev. Don't they have a poor safety record?
            Peter R

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            • #7
              What BoneyM said...OH, those Russians.

              Poland now has a Kremlin friendly leader, former House Speaker.

              Checkmate?

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              • #8
                Willi - time for another spin on the story

                Them seem to think that nothing was wrong wid the plane
                Life is a system of half-truths and lies, opportunistic, convenient evasion.”
                - Langston Hughes

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MdmeX View Post
                  Them seem to think that nothing was wrong wid the plane
                  Well given they were flying in fog (and "fog" in Russia might as well mean red-pea soup) and that the plane hit a tree and the Polish president according to the BBC had on previous occasions forced his pilots to land against their better judgment....maybe the plane was technically sound?

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                  • #10
                    I hope so. That would be better than Putin pulling a fast one.

                    My Russian contact does not seem to suspect foul play and he is very cynical.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Willi View Post
                      I hope so. That would be better than Putin pulling a fast one.

                      My Russian contact does not seem to suspect foul play and he is very cynical.
                      Here's some more on the crash from The Economist (not known for being a pro-Russian publication, if anything quite the contrary):

                      http://www.economist.com/world/europ...=features_box2

                      When Russia invaded Georgia in August 2008, it was Mr Kaczynski who rushed to the rescue, leading a hair-raising trip to Tbilisi with leaders of other sympathetic ex-communist states. He tried to overrule protests by the presidential plane’s pilot, that the trip into a war zone was unsafe. Mr Kaczynski was furious at what he saw as cowardice; the pilot later got a medal for resolutely putting his passengers’ safety ahead of prestige. Mr Kaczynski may have repeated just that error in the minutes before the disastrous attempt to land the presidential plane at a fog-bound airport on April 10th.

                      That seems by far the most likely explanation for the tragedy. The Polish presidential plane was an ageing Tupolev 154: old, noisy and thirsty, admittedly, but also robust and reliable. It had been recently renovated with modern avionics. Russian air traffic controllers seem blameless too. They insisted that the fog at Smolensk airport was too thick and had repeatedly told the plane to land elsewhere. The pilot refused, making three abortive attempts to land before hitting tree-tops on the fourth try.
                      Three times they tried to land? Somebody made a serious error of judgement on that plane.

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                      • #12
                        den is what kinda pilots dis president fly wid dat him haffi a race dem up bout dem flying habits?!?


                        BLACK LIVES MATTER

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                        • #13
                          My Russian bredrin told me all this today. Plane was renovated in Dec2009!

                          On top, it was a short military runway.

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                          • #14
                            Putin said he is going to personally investigate the matter, memba the Fox and the chicken coop?

                            Putin smells fowly to me.

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