Hell breaks loose in West Kingston

[Lazie]

Brethren if thugs use people as human shields and fire at cops, the cops should not return fire? The thugs are the ones who should be held responsible for any injuries as a result of their actions. If you come to visit my house and you suddenly decide to fire at cops, then I can not blame the police for responding appropriately when their lives are at stake.

So there should be no care for those that may be innocent? Aren't the police suppose to protect those that are in danger as well?

[Mosiah]

listen, i have no problem being wrong on this one. if the police were justified blasting them to smithereens, YAY!

but unnu cyaan wrong mi for being suspicious of our police!

[HL]

yezz-sir

[Hortical]

So there should be no care for those that may be innocent? Aren't the police suppose to protect those that are in danger as well?

Sure, cops should try their best to protect the innocent. It is hard for me to believe there were innocent people firing at cops from that house.

[Lazie]

Sure, cops should try their best to protect the innocent. It is hard for me to believe there were innocent people firing at cops from that house.

I wasn't talking about yesterday's incident, I was referring to the following comment.

"If police receive fire from a building they have every right to unload on that structure."

[Mosiah]

Hortical, all mi a tell yuh, don't be too sure there was gunfire from that house.

[Jangle]

Mosiah, some a dem need fe dead. That is exactly what I have been promoting all along. The police know who these criminals are. The public needs to start fearing the law and the police more. When you have these DJ's singing about not fearing a Babylon bwoy and glorifying the FACT that gunmen have bigger and badder guns than police, then the "old" way of policing is broken. Currently, I don't see any other ways to rein in the crime monster in Jamaica other than with brute force. The only problem that I see and fear is the "absolute" power that the police has. Who is going to police the Police.

[Lazie]

Mosiah, some a dem need fe dead. That is exactly what I have been promoting all along. The police know who these criminals are. The public needs to start fearing the law and the police more. When you have these DJ's singing about not fearing a Babylon bwoy and glorifying the FACT that gunmen have bigger and badder guns than police, then the "old" way of policing is broken. Currently, I don't see any other ways to rein in the crime monster in Jamaica other than with brute force. The only problem that I see and fear is the "absolute" power that the police has. Who is going to police the Police.

What did Renato DeCordova Valentino Adams achieve when he was out there being feared by everybody?

[Jangle]

He should have been given more room to continue his stellar work. The statistics will also show that crime level increased after he was ingloriously dismissed from his duties.

[Lazie]

He should have been given more room to continue his stellar work. The statistics will also show that crime level increased after he was ingloriously dismissed from his duties.

What was your attitude when Sean Bell was killed in NY?

[Mosiah]

Jangle, yes, many times the police get it right and do take out these dastardly bastards, but there is something that is just fundamentally wrong in giving them that power to kill extrajudicially. It must come back to haunt yuh one day, some how.

And I can fully understand why they would rather do this than to take them to court, as they would only sit there to see many of them walk free while threatening them.

All that said, mi just cyaan feel good about giving our police guns and telling them to just wipe out who dem feel like wipe out, or who other people pointed out.

[Mosiah]

did the stats really indicate that?!?

[Lazie]

did the stats really indicate that?!?

Yeah ... I'm remembering the exact opposite being said, by whom, I cannot recall.

[Jangle]

Mosiah, I can empathise with you on the Rock, but I really don't think community policing can work in the current state that Jamaica is in. Drastic and draconian methods have to be employed at this stage. A State of Emergency needs to be declared in many of these garrisons. It needs the political will of the government to enforce a systematic eradication of these reprobates. The most unfortunate thing is that poverty is at the heart of these garrisons and many poor people have and will continue to suffer.

[Jangle]

Lazie that's not my concern. We Jamaicans are easily identified anywhere we go, and when Jamaica is placed on the caution list for US tourists, we hang our heads in shame. Life goes on in the black and white communities here in the states. Sean Bell, Rodney King and others are just another incident in this blacks vs whites vs black vs the police battle. It was here before I came here, and will probably be here after I am long gone. Jamaica is my mother and I love her.