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[Jawge]

no waan deal wid it: Fram the Haitian crisis come on is who ah give an spend di most. I was bombarded on this site about "rising power". Well the "rising power' gave one million. "Babylon" on the other hand; even though going through tough times was able to give 100 mil (aircraft carrier with thousands of troops, huge star lift planes and the list jus goes on)

Don and Mo please join me in saying THANK YOU, USA; you went above and beyond. President Obama, President Bush and President Clinton THANKS for the effort.

I said it ; that it will be the US that will lead this planet to a higher level.

Sidebar: Don, I think you got a glimpse of what the world would be like, if "they" (rising power from the east) gain some power.the glimpse might be beautiful for you but not for me.

[Don1]

no waan deal wid it: Fram the Haitian crisis come on is who ah give an spend di most. I was bombarded on this site about "rising power". Well the "rising power' gave one million. "Babylon" on the other hand; even though going through tough times was able to give 100 mil (aircraft carrier with thousands of troops, huge star lift planes and the list jus goes on)

Don and Mo please join me in saying THANK YOU, USA; you went above and beyond. President Obama, President Bush and President Clinton THANKS for the effort.

I said it ; that it will be the US that will lead this planet to a higher level.

Sidebar: Don, I think you got a glimpse of what the world would be like, if "they" (rising power from the east) gain some power.the glimpse might be beautiful for you but not for me.

Do you know the difference between objective analysis based on facts and trends...and... opinion based on a preference?

Clearly you don't.

If I post articles by sober professionals (who are pro US!) on China's rise and the relative decline of the US... that to you equates to a value judgement on my part that the phenomenon is preferable? Are you daft?

Then...most ridiculous of all ..you use the varied responses to this terrible tragedy to try to prove your erroneous and stupid theory correct?


You need either medication or further schooling.

[Jawge]

Yeah, yeah, just say thanks and be on your merry way

[Jawge]

Ah there you go (next time remember the USA). Mo I'm waiting on you: Please put USA at the end of your thanks.

[Bricktop]

You let me down. It's jus now Haitians have been dying?

[Mosiah]

simplistic as you get.

not trying to diss, jawge, but sometimes you appear to be on medication. you say some very intelligent and profound stuff and then...as if you didn't get to go to the pharmacy, you say this!

jawge, when you listen to cnn and msnbc alone you'd think the whole world has said to hell with those haitians. for the few americans who have been bigging up the other nations that have been helping, have they ever mentioned cuba or the caricom countries? i have not heard it even once!

from a longer time, and you should know this, cuba does not wait to help its neighbours in times of crisis, even as america feels it is simply trying to indoctrinate people. they have come to our rescue after hurricanes or floods and they have been in haiti long before the earthquake. cuba has maintained a sizeable number of doctors in haiti (hundreds) and are sending more! but cnn won't tell you that. indeed, not even TVJ or CVM have mentioned it. a simple google search might help you here, jawge.

the support from jamaicans has also been overwhelming. drop off points at scotiabank and rjr have reported enthusiastic and generous support, this from a people that has just been hit with it's own earthquake in the form of some unprecedented taxes in the last few weeks. bruce golding was the first head of state to visit the ravaged country, not to mention portia being the first (and i'm sure only) opposition leader to visit. jamaica has offered it's airports as stay over hubs for all international flights assisting in the rescue and rebuilding efforts. we have waived landing fees and planes may refuel here. this has freed, to some extent, the heavy traffic that is clogging up the airspace and the tarmac at the port-au-prince airport. jdf soldiers were among the very first international teams that landed there. and i could go on and on.

in case you have forgotten, america has played its part in oppressing haiti over many years. maybe we should thank BARACK OBAMA, not the usa in general. but i won't do that. the fact is the american people are indeed generous, but so too are many people around the globe! obama is probably trying to really make a difference this time with haiti and help them get firmly on their feet, not the usual patching here and there. we'll see how serious he is about rebuilding, and what presidents clinton and bush are up to.

the fact is, america's military might has allowed them to do a lot and to appear prominent when they do it. i was impressed today when i saw that huge ship, the usns comfort, set sail for haiti. and in case you've forgotten, america is the closest of all the big and rich countries in the world.

america's rich and powerful news agencies certainly dominate the airwaves, and we are all thankful for that, even though a few reporters look like they would have done anything to get out of some freezing conditions in america.

so jawge, let's not start with the nonsense, measuring who gave more. i will say THANK YOU USA, even as say, THANK YOU JAMAICA, YOU'VE MADE ME EVEN PROUDER. and i'll say, THANK YOU CUBA, THANK YOU DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, THANK YOU CARICOM, THANK YOU ALL THE COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD AND YOUR CITIZENS!

[Mosiah]

Thank You, USA!

No! Thank you, John Maxwell!

NO, MISTER! YOU CANNOT SHARE MY PAIN!
John Maxwell

Sunday, January 17, 2010
If you shared my pain you would not continue to make me suffer, to torture me, to deny me my dignity and my rights, especially my rights to self-determination and self-expression.
Six years ago you sent your Ambassador Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary to perform an action illegal under the laws of your country, my country and of the international community of nations.
One of the survivors of Tuesday's devastating earthquake in Haiti.
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It was an act so outrageous, so bestially vile and wicked that your journalists and news agencies, your diplomats and politicians to this day cannot bring themselves to truthfully describe or own up to the crime that was committed when US Ambassador James Foley, a career diplomat, arrived at the house of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide with a bunch of CIA thugs and US Marines to kidnap the president of Haiti and his wife.
The Aristides were stowed aboard a CIA plane normally used for 'renditions' of suspected terrorists to the worldwide US gulag of dungeons and torture chambers.
The plane, on which the Aristides are listed as "cargo", flew to Antigua - an hour away - and remained on the ground in Antigua while Colin Powell's State Department and the CIA tried to blackmail and bribe various African countries to accept ("give asylum to") the kidnapped president and his wife.
The Central African Republic - one of George W Bush's 'Dark Corners of the World' - agreed for an undisclosed sum, to give the Aristides temporary asylum.
Before any credible plot can be designed and paid for - for the disappearance of the Aristides - they are rescued by friends, flown to temporary asylum in Jamaica where the Government cravenly yielded to the blackmail of Condoleezza Rice to deny them the permanent asylum to which they were entitled and which most Jamaicans had hoped for.
Meanwhile, in Haiti, the US Marines protected an undisciplined ragbag of rapists and murderers to allow them entry to the capital. The Marines chased the medical students out of the new Medical School established by Aristide with Cuban help and teachers. The Marines bivouac in the school, going out on nightly raids, trailed by fleets of ambulances with body bags, hunting down Fanmi Lavalas activists described as 'chimeres' - terrorists.
The real terrorists, led by two convicted murderers, Chamblain and Philippe, assisted the Marines in the eradication of 'chimeres' until the Marines were replaced by foreign troops, paid by the United Nations, who took up the hunt on behalf of the civilised world - France, Canada, the US and Brazil.
The terrorists and the remains of the Duvalier tontons and the CIA-bred FRAPF declared open season on the remnants of Aristide's programmes to build democracy. They burnt down the new museum of Haitian culture, destroyed the children's television station and generally laid waste to anything and everything which could remind Haitians of their glorious history.
Haitians don't know that without their help Latin America might still be part of the Spanish Empire and Simon Bolivar a brief historical footnote.
Imagine, ************************s Speaking French!
About 90 years ago when Professor Woodrow Wilson was president of the USA, his secretary of state was a fundamentalist lawyer named William Jennings Bryan who had three times run unsuccessfully for president.
The Americans had decided to invade Haiti to collect debts owed by Haiti to Citibank.
General Smedley Butler, the only American soldier to have twice won the Congressional Medal of Honour, described his role in the US Army:
"I helped make Mexico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half-a-dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long.
General Butler said: "I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. ... My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical in the military service." Butler compared himself unfavourably to Al Capone. He said his official racketeering made Capone look like an amateur.
Secretary Bryan was dumbfounded by the Haitians. "Imagine," he said, "N i g g e r s speaking French!"
Smedley Butler and Bryan were involved in Haiti because of something that happened nearly a hundred years before. The French slave-masters, expelled from Haiti and defeated again when they tried to re-enslave the Haitians, connived with the Americans to starve them into submission by a trade embargo. With no sale for Haitian sugar, the country was weak and run-down when a French fleet arrived bearing a demand for reparations. Having bought their freedom in blood, the Haitians were to purchase it again in gold.
The French demanded, essentially, that the Haitians pay France an amount equivalent to 90 per cent of the entire Haitian budget for the foreseeable future. When this commitment proved too arduous to honour, the City Bank offered the Haitians a 'debt exchange", paying off the French in exchange for a lower-interest, longer-term debt. The terms may have seemed better but were just as usurious and it was not paid off until 1947.
Because of the debt the Americans invaded Haiti, seized the Treasury, exiled the president, their Jim Crow policies were used to divide the society, to harass the poor and finally provoked a second struggle for freedom which was one of the most brutal episodes in colonial history.
Long before Franco bombed Guernica, exciting the horror and revulsion of civilised people, the Americans perfected their dive-bombing techniques against unarmed Haitian peasants, many of whom had never seen aircraft before.
The Americans set up a Haitian Army in the image of their Jim Crow Marines, and it was these people, the alien and alienated Élite who, with some conscripted blacks like the Duvaliers, have ruled Haiti for most of the last century.
When I flew over Haiti for the first time in 1959 en route from New York to San Juan, Puerto Rico, I saw for the first time the border between the green Dominican Republic and brown Haiti.
First-world journalists interpret the absence of trees on the Haitian side to the predations of the poor, disregarding the fact that Western religion and American capitalism were mainly responsible.
Why is it that nowhere else in the Caribbean is there similar deforestation?
Haiti's Dessalines constitution offered sanctuary to every escaped slave of any colour. All such people of whatever colour were deemed 'black' and entitled to citizenship. Only officially certified 'blacks' could own land in Haiti.
The American occupation, anticipating Hayek, Freedman and Greenspan, decided that such a rule was a hindrance to development. The assistant secretary of the US Navy, one Franklin D Roosevelt, was given the job of writing a new, modern constitution for Haiti.
This constitution meant foreigners could own land. Within a very short time the lumberjacks were busy, felling old growth Mahogany and Caribbean Pine for carved doors for the rich and mahogany speedboats, boardroom tables seating 40, etc. The devastated land was put to produce rubber, sisal for ropes and all sorts of pie in the sky plantations.
When President Paul Magloire came to Jamaica 50 years ago Haitians were still speaking of an Artibonite dam for electricity and irrigation. But the ravages of the recent past were too much to recover.
As Marguerite Laurent (EziliDanto) writes: Don't expect to learn how a people with a Vodun culture that reveres nature and especially the Mapou (oak-like or ceiba pendantra/bombax) trees, and other such big trees as the abode of living entities and therefore as sacred things, were forced to watch the Catholic Church, during Rejete - the violent anti-Vodun crusade - gather whole communities at gunpoint into public squares, and forced them to watch their agents burn Haitian trees in order to teach Haitians their Vodun Gods were not in nature, that the trees were the "houses of Satan".
In partnership with the US, the mulatto President Elie Lescot (1941-45) summarily expelled peasants from more than 100,000 hectares of land, razing their homes and destroying more than a million fruit trees in the vain effort to cultivate rubber on a large plantation scale. Also, under the pretext of the Rejete campaign, thousands of acres of peasant lands were cleared of sacred trees so that the US could take their lands for agribusiness.
After the Flood
Norman Manley used to say "River Come Down" when his party seemed likely to prevail. The Kreyol word Lavalas conveys the same meaning.
Since the Haitian people's decisive rejection of the Duvalier dictatorships in the early 90s, their spark and leader has been Jean-Bertrand Aristide whose bona fides may be assessed from the fact that the CIA and conservative Americans have been trying to discredit him almost from the word go.
As he put it in one of his books, his intention has been to build a paradise on the garbage heap bequeathed to Haiti by the US and the Elite.
The bill of particulars is too long to go into here, but the destruction of the new museum of Culture, the breaking up of the medical school, the destruction of the children's television station gives you the flavour. But the essence is captured in the brutal attempt to obliterate the spirit of Haitian community; the attempt to destroy Lavalas by murdering its men and raping its women, the American-directed subversion of a real police force, the attacks on education and the obliteration of the community self-help systems which meant that when Hurricane Jeanne and all the other weather systems since have struck Haiti, many more have died than in any other country similarly stricken. In an earthquake, totally unpredictable, every bad factor is multiplied.
The American blocking of international aid means that there is no modern water supply anywhere, no town planning, no safe roads, none of the ordinary infrastructure of any other Caribbean state. There are no building standards, no emergency shelters, no parks.
So, when I write about mothers unwittingly walking on dead babies in the mud, when I write about people so poor they must eat patties made of clay and shortening, when I write about people with their faces 'chopped off' or about any of eight million horror stories from the crime scene that is Haiti, please don't tell me you share their pain or mine.
Tell me, where is Lovinsky Pierre Antoine and ten thousand like him?
If you share my pain and their pain, why don't you stop causing it? Why don't you stop the torture?
If you want to understand me, look at the woman in the picture (above), and the children half-buried with her. You cannot hear their screams because they know there is no point in screaming. It will do no more good than voting.
What is she thinking: perhaps it is something like this - No, mister! You cannot share my pain!
Some time, perhaps after the camera is gone, people will return to dig us out with their bare hands. But not you.
Copyright©2010 John Maxwell

[Muadib]

God Bless America !

[Muadib]

"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to."

[Don1]

simplistic as you get.

not trying to diss, jawge, but sometimes you appear to be on medication. you say some very intelligent and profound stuff and then...as if you didn't get to go to the pharmacy, you say this!

jawge, when you listen to cnn and msnbc alone you'd think the whole world has said to hell with those haitians. for the few americans who have been bigging up the other nations that have been helping, have they ever mentioned cuba or the caricom countries? i have not heard it even once!

from a longer time, and you should know this, cuba does not wait to help its neighbours in times of crisis, even as america feels it is simply trying to indoctrinate people. they have come to our rescue after hurricanes or floods and they have been in haiti long before the earthquake. cuba has maintained a sizeable number of doctors in haiti (hundreds) and are sending more! but cnn won't tell you that. indeed, not even TVJ or CVM have mentioned it. a simple google search might help you here, jawge.

the support from jamaicans has also been overwhelming. drop off points at scotiabank and rjr have reported enthusiastic and generous support, this from a people that has just been hit with it's own earthquake in the form of some unprecedented taxes in the last few weeks. bruce golding was the first head of state to visit the ravaged country, not to mention portia being the first (and i'm sure only) opposition leader to visit. jamaica has offered it's airports as stay over hubs for all international flights assisting in the rescue and rebuilding efforts. we have waived landing fees and planes may refuel here. this has freed, to some extent, the heavy traffic that is clogging up the airspace and the tarmac at the port-au-prince airport. jdf soldiers were among the very first international teams that landed there. and i could go on and on.

in case you have forgotten, america has played its part in oppressing haiti over many years. maybe we should thank BARACK OBAMA, not the usa in general. but i won't do that. the fact is the american people are indeed generous, but so too are many people around the globe! obama is probably trying to really make a difference this time with haiti and help them get firmly on their feet, not the usual patching here and there. we'll see how serious he is about rebuilding, and what presidents clinton and bush are up to.

the fact is, america's military might has allowed them to do a lot and to appear prominent when they do it. i was impressed today when i saw that huge ship, the usns comfort, set sail for haiti. and in case you've forgotten, america is the closest of all the big and rich countries in the world.

america's rich and powerful news agencies certainly dominate the airwaves, and we are all thankful for that, even though a few reporters look like they would have done anything to get out of some freezing conditions in america.

so jawge, let's not start with the nonsense, measuring who gave more. i will say THANK YOU USA, even as say, THANK YOU JAMAICA, YOU'VE MADE ME EVEN PROUDER. and i'll say, THANK YOU CUBA, THANK YOU DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, THANK YOU CARICOM, THANK YOU ALL THE COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD AND YOUR CITIZENS!

thank you.

[Mosiah]

How much America pledge again, Jawge?

EU nations pledge $575 million for Haiti aid

AP – European Union High Representative for Foreign Affairs Catherine Ashton speaks during a media conference …
By RAF CASERT, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 57 mins ago
BRUSSELS – European Union nations pledged over euro400 million ($575 million) Monday to help quake survivors and rebuilding efforts in Haiti after last week's massive earthquake.
The European Union Commission said it would contribute euro330 million ($474 million) in emergency and long-term aid to Haiti. EU member states also poured euro92 million ($132 million) in emergency aid alone.
In addition, the EU was moving toward sending 150 people to be part of a police force to beef up security in the quake-hit Caribbean nation.
"We have taken swift action," said EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton after an emergency meeting of the 27-nation EU's development ministers.
Development Secretary Douglas Alexander said Britain would triple its commitment to 20 million pounds ($32.7 million) to deal with "an almost unprecedented level of devastation." France committed euro10 million ($14.4 million) and Italy said it was "willing" to forgive Haiti's euro40 million ($55.7 million) debt on top of its aid pledges.
The Haitian earthquake is fast becoming the largest international relief effort since the cataclysmic Asian tsunami of 2004. Estimates put the death toll from the 7.0-magnitude quake on Jan. 12 from 50,000 to 100,000 — but Haitian officials believe the toll will exceed that.
"Our initial assessments show a level of humanitarian need which would severely test the international response in any circumstances," said Alexander. "But the impact of this earthquake is magnified because it has hit a country that was already desperately poor and historically volatile."
The EU also planned to send a mission to Haiti to help the government there get a grip on the chaotic circumstances.
"It is a critical element," said EU Development Commissioner Karel De Gucht.
In Paris, however, Cooperation Minister Alain Joyandet — who had already complained that U.S. forces had held up French aid — said Monday he wants the American role in Haiti clarified.
"This is about helping Haiti, not about occupying Haiti," Joyandet said.
U.S. officials had turned a French aid plane back from the Haitian capital of Port-au-Prince because the airport was overcrowded. The plane landed the following day.
French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner warned governments and aid groups Monday not to squabble as they try to get their aid into earthquake-ravaged Haiti. He told France-Info radio that "people always want it to be their plane ... that lands" but "what's important is the fate of the Haitians."
In Denmark, aid organizations from the Danish Red Cross to UNICEF Denmark and Save the Children raised 18 million kroner ($3.48 million) so far.
Twelve Swedish charity agencies have received donations of around 50 million kronor ($7.1 million) since the earthquake struck — with 21 million kronor of that from the Swedish post code lottery.
A Dutch navy ship with aid and 80 military and relief workers was expected to dock Monday in Haiti and a Dutch charter plane left on a mission to evacuate some 100 children whose adoption has been accelerated because of the quake.
Outside of the EU, Norway, a country of only 4.8 million, decided to increase aid to Haiti to 100 million kroner ($17.7 million).
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AP writers Mike Corder from Amsterdam, Jan M. Olsen from Copenhagen and Ian Macdougall from Oslo, Malin Rising from Stockholm contributed to this article.

[Mosiah]

Preval should not have ceded authority to the Americans!

In Paris, however, Cooperation Minister Alain Joyandet — who had already complained that U.S. forces had held up French aid — said Monday he wants the American role in Haiti clarified.
"This is about helping Haiti, not about occupying Haiti," Joyandet said.
U.S. officials had turned a French aid plane back from the Haitian capital of Port-au-Prince because the airport was overcrowded. The plane landed the following day.
French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner warned governments and aid groups Monday not to squabble as they try to get their aid into earthquake-ravaged Haiti. He told France-Info radio that "people always want it to be their plane ... that lands" but "what's important is the fate of the Haitians."

Here we go again!

[Jawge]

I will go with this:
the fact is, america's military might has allowed them to do a lot and to appear prominent when they do it. i was impressed today when i saw that huge ship, the usns comfort, set sail for haiti. and in case you've forgotten, america is the closest of all the big and rich countries in the world.

Yuh nuh impress yet. Juss say thanks USA and stop the whining and selfpity (a la Maxwell). Seriously what if it was Africa that the allies bombed the way they did Germany or what if it was Africa or a Caribbean island that was nuked? To this day I would hear "boy we could have been much beter but the bomb that they dropped on us.. yada yada"
Do you hear Germany saying "ah boy they flattened the whole place with TNT and this sets us back for thousands of years, if they (the allies) had just left some of our industries intact, we would be world beaters. Japan: aaah it's the atom bomb that was dropped on us; we will never be anything in life; matter fact the whole world should come together and give us everything for theis inhumane act". Garvey was the one that freed me from the above thinking do the same mo. No matter what the odds you can overcome it. Even more so if the odds are man made.

[Rudi]

Are you familiar with the Marshall Plan? Also, with Japanese reconstruction? At this time the analogy is misplaced.

[Mosiah]

i will read your hypocrisy-laced garvey posts with glee from now on, jawge.