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    No wonder crime out of control!

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    An arrest warrant may be out for you - even if you have paid your traffic ticket!

    Thursday, December 17, 2009


    BY LISSIE BARNES
    HAVE you received a traffic ticket within the last five or six years? If youhave, the following account is a must-read. I believe it is my duty to share with members of the public - who, like me, are possibly in ignorance - my experience of December 7 with the police from the Traffic Division.
    I know they say that ignorance of the law is no excuse, but...

    I was pulled over for exceeding the speed limit of 50km per hour on the Sir Florizel Glasspole Boulevard, Kingston. The first officer I encountered came with his radar gun indicating I was doing 76km per hour. I am on record as having said, "I beg to differ," and that I would be going to court to pay this fine, even though I did not believe I had exceeded the speed limit.

    Be that as it may, my word was powerless against the irrefutable proof that was presented to me by an officer of the law. He then requested documents for my car which were all in order.

    Then he requested my driver's licence which he took to his squad vehicle. In my rear-view mirror, I saw him writing up the ticket. He returned with same and informed me that there was a warrant for my arrest.

    Naturally, I thought he was joking. I expected someone to come out and say either, "Smile, you're on Candid Camera," or "You're punked." No such luck. He informed me that under these circumstances he was supposed to arrest me. But to save me the embarrassment, he would allow me to drive to their head office. The offence was an unpaid traffic ticket for exceeding the speed limit in 2004. Yes, 2004. No error here. This was the first traffic ticket I ever received and which was paid. The next ticket I got was when I was recently stopped on that fateful Monday.

    The irony was that I had the receipt in the car for at least four years as I did not trust the system. And of course on the day that I needed it, it was not in the car and I could not think where to find it. But am I expected to have this receipt in my possession over five years later? I was literally fit to be tied. "Upset" would have been an understatement. All I could think of was 50 murders last week and time is being wasted on me to provide proof of a ticket from 2004 that I had paid. I was thinking, tax collectors, or crime fighters?

    The two police officers hurriedly got into their vehicle to escort me to their head office. Of course, I did not know where that was. After stopping traffic so I could reverse to utilise the exit, they indicated that I should drive in front of them. I imagine this was to ensure I did not flee, leaving them with my licence with all the pertinent information to find me.
    Anyway, I told them that I did not know where to go, so they took the lead.

    They drove at a speed far in excess of the speed limit I was just accused of breaking. I followed far behind, within the speed limit but within sight of them.

    We arrived at the Elletson Road Police Station. I decided to give my documents a once-over in case I had missed the receipt. The officer who wrote me up was obviously in a hurry for me to exit the car so he could execute his duties, as such, I abandoned the search. On arriving inside the building, I was offered a seat and was told by an employee (not sure if this was a police officer as well) that I had a warrant for arrest for an unpaid traffic ticket. I told him that this ticket had been paid.

    I then spoke to a senior officer who said that he would give me until the next day to provide proof of payment. So in this situation, it was a case of guilty until proven innocent. This officer indicated that the system was not foolproof. Lie! So they were fully aware that persons had paid and yet were still issuing arrest warrants. What kind of system is this? Obviously, one that promotes inefficiency and the negative perception of the police force.

    My question is, what is being done to correct this situation without harassing law-abiding citizens who want nothing more than to be productive and to contribute to the national development?

    I feel that the same energy it took to write the warrant for arrest could have gone into someone verifying payments. But this is possibly too simple a response to such a complicated matter.

    I was advised to go to the tax collectorate downtown for verification of payment. This I did. As there was no sign for my particular need, I spoke to three persons and finally the fourth was the person I needed. She showed me on the computer monitor that the payment was made but said that I would have to go to the Constant Spring Road collectorate as I had paid the fine there. The information she had did not include the ticket number and particular traffic offence. And the police were not accepting this.

    In 2009, in the age of technology, I left downtown with a printout of the information the tax employee was kind enough to give me. This, to expedite the visit to the next collectorate.

    At the Constant Spring Road collectorate, the third person I spoke to was able to assist me by giving me a receipt for the payment with the necessary information required by the police. I then proceeded downtown again to provide the proof that was required.

    I had spent all morning doing this. By this time, I was tired, hungry and frustrated, having not even had a sip of water for the day. I was just anxious to have this matter reconciled as soon as possible.

    I arrived at the Traffic Division, with my documented proof that I had paid the traffic ticket. I had also made copies, which I had in my car. On viewing the documents, the same senior officer said that he would be forwarding them to the court. If I was stopped, at least I had a copy of the receipt. He also apologised on behalf of the police. At this time the apology was too little too late.

    Can you imagine this happening to you on a weekend when there is no way of providing this proof and you are left to the mercy and discretion of the arresting officer? I strongly believe we can do better, and should demand better. The police should not be updating their records at the inconvenience of members of the public.

    I must say though, all in all, the officers were very respectful in carrying out their duties. I hope that this system is reviewed and replaced with one that meets the objectives in a way which protects members of the public. For after all, are they not employed to protect and serve?

    Don't take anything for granted. Check to see if there is a warrant out for your arrest.
    lissiebarnes@yahoo.com
    Last edited by Karl; December 17, 2009, 04:00 PM.

  • #2
    What a waste of productive time.
    Life is a system of half-truths and lies, opportunistic, convenient evasion.”
    - Langston Hughes

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    • #3
      really, what is the issue... these same things happen in the good ole america too... people pay tickets and its not updated in the systems right here in the good ole america... lol... sometimes, a person has to take the paid receipt to department of motor vehicles to update their systems...

      if the writer had proof of payment to present to the officer, there would not be a problem... just a learning experience for the writer... like the officer said, the system is not 100%...
      'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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      • #4
        Baddaz I was just thinking the same thing. Even an important thing as the SS# is not necessarily connected with homeland security.
        "The contribution of forumites and others who visit shouldn’t be discounted, and offending people shouldn’t be the first thing on our minds. Most of us are educated and can do better." Mi bredrin Sass Jan. 29,2011

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        • #5
          True them almost lock up my other half for a ticket she paid, take away her license and the whole works.

          She had to show receipt etc.
          • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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          • #6
            It is the people --- yuh bredda, or fi mi bredda or...wi uncle cousin aunti

            who work in these offices with responsibility to update the systems...duh di wuk...dat mek dem fool-li-nish-ness a gwan! Yup...same suh-madi dem who a seh gova-ment nah seh nutten! ...an nuh kno seh a dem nah seh nutten!
            "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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            • #7
              The upside is that the officer could tell him that information on the spot... however erroneous it might be. There is some hope that negligent drivers who are in fact with unpaid tickets will be made to pay.
              Peter R

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              • #8
                A day lost of productivity.

                Policemen used for this crap instead of ketch tief.

                Innocent person nearly locked up and would have won any lawsuit which taxpayer would have to pay. Wrongful imprisonment.

                I could go on and on, but yuh get the point.

                Who should have to keep a receipt for 5 years?

                The point is, it should have been handled in a less disruptive manner. A warning given. Lady could have had 3 days to collect the proof or face an escalation of fees, etc.

                In america yuh face jail for a 5 year old minor ticket, or dem clamp you car??? Jamaican jail nuh nice!

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                • #9
                  no willi, i dont get your point... a day lost of productivity... gimme a break... the writer says she normally has the receipts in the car... not saying any 'should have to' keep a receipt for 5 years... however, given the environment, that would be prudent...

                  writing tickets is one of the responsibilities of the police in addition to ketching tief...

                  yes, i agree it could have been handled in a less disruptive manner... however, the police was not rude... they were accomodating and professional in the best way they could... the writer said that...

                  in america, if yuh don't pay your ticket your license will be suspended and sometimes a warrant is issued... many times the police will tow your car on the spot and make an arrest for driving with a suspended license...

                  much ado about nothing... just deal with the inconvenience, sort out wha fi sort out and move on... it hot but hush... lol... a juss suh de ting set...
                  'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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                  • #10
                    farmah... a big hail up to de i... long time... anyway, a juss suh mi seit and sometimes people are just too up in arms bout everyting...
                    'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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                    • #11
                      BIG deal.

                      Citizens rights are being abused.

                      I know how the deal with it in Philly, as there is a show dedicated to this on TV everyweek. Is NOT police who do this. Its metermen, etc.

                      Pathetic use of scarce police resources.

                      The lady had the receipt because she knew how azzbackward our system is.

                      This is about POLICY not implementation. Fortunately the police were not abusive in this situation.

                      What if it was weekend and they locked up the woman?

                      This is about weaknesses in Jamaica's system...dont care if America is messed up too in THIS regard.

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