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    India and Russia’s “time-tested” military relationship rolls on


    Published 21 October, 2009, 17:43

    Ever since Nikita Khrushchev advised India to “shout across the Himalayas if you ever need us,” military cooperation between India and Russia has rarely taken a pause.

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov is meeting today with his Indian counterpart Somanahalli Mallaiah Krishna in Moscow for the latest round of talks aimed at beefing up military cooperation between the two nations.
    Moscow and New Delhi enjoy a longstanding military partnership that goes back to the days of the Cold War when India, in response to America’s decision to sign an alliance with Pakistan in 1954, deepened its contacts with China and the Soviet Union.

    To put the historical relationship in dollar terms, between 1960 and 2000, Soviet Russia supplied India, which was in something of an arms race with Pakistan, with about $35 billion worth of military equipment. When the Soviet Union collapsed, New Delhi’s debt to Moscow was estimated at up to $16 billion.
    Now, as Russia celebrates the Year of India (last year was Year of Russia in India), bilateral military cooperation between the two nations shows no end in sight. And the partnership seems a natural match given the number of highly trained university students from both nations who excel in math and computer skills. Now that the economies of both countries are coming to a slow boil, these skilled graduates don't need to look to distant shores for good jobs.
    Military cooperation on the march

    Wednesday’s deliberations represent the latest step in a military-economic initiative that began last week during the 9th meeting of the India-Russia Inter Governmental Commission on Military Technical Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC) in Moscow.

    During last week’s talks, Indian Defense Minister A.K. Antony hammered out an assortment of preliminary military deals with Russian Defense Minister Anatoliy Serdyukov, including a modernization program for India’s Russian-made Su-30MKI fighter jets, and development of a fifth-generation fighter aircraft.

    And to underscore the effectiveness of the Indian-Russian military cooperation, Antony and Serdyukov discussed technical issues related to the world’s fastest cruise missile, the BrahMos, a joint creation of India’s Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) and Russia’s NPO Mashinostroeyenia.

    In total, the current cooperation program between India and Russia entails about 200 special projects, which are expected to be singed during the India-Russia Summit scheduled for December.



    Dmitry Medvedev (L) and Indian Foreign Minister Somanahalli Mallaiah Krishna (AFP Photo / RIA Novosti / Kremlin pool / Dmitry Astakhov)

    In addition to these lucrative initiatives, Lavrov and Krishna will discuss preparations for the RIC ministerial meeting that will be held in India on October 27, which will be devoted to solving international and regional issues.

    The “C” in RIC of course stands for China, the communist-slash-capitalist nation and regional powerhouse that cannot be excluded whenever the issue of Indian-Russian relations is brought up.

    Zhang Yan, China’s ambassador to India, this month wrote in the Hindu website, Chennai, that “there are good reasons for China and India to work closely on global issues.”
    “Both are developing countries, share historical experiences, and face similar tasks today. The combined population of the two countries accounts for 40 percent of the world’s total. With the growing economic strength, China and India are enjoying a status and role that are much more appreciated in the world arena. Our common concerns and interests in international affairs require us to consolidate out coordination and cooperation,” he wrote.

    Although there are voices in both India and Russia that fear the consequences of an overly influential China, Moscow seems increasingly positive about the opportunity of enhancing its defense production capabilities, which China and India – Russia’s biggest consumers of its military hardware – still eagerly consume.

    Additionally, a triple military alliance between Russia and the world’s two heaviest populated nations, although a juggling act of sorts that has never been formalized, would represent a not insignificant counterbalance to US military might in the region, which is presently bogged down in Afghanistan.
    Diplomatic marathoning

    On Oct. 27, foreign ministers from RIC will meet for the second time in the tech city of Bangalore, India, which has become something of India’s version of Silicon Valley.

    The three foreign ministers – Somanahalli Mallaiah Krishna of India, Yang Jiechi of China and Sergey Lavrov of Russia – are expected “to deliberate on climate change, restructuring of multilateral funding agencies and the global economic recession, besides regional issues,” India’s Deccan Herald reported.

    The first meeting of RIC was held in May 2008 in Yekaterinburg, Russia.
    But for Indian-Russian relations in the field of military-technical cooperation, Lavrov reminded his guests that the momentous event of the year will be the India-Russia Summit in December.
    “We value dialogue with India,” the Russian foreign minister told reporters. “I hope that it will help prepare for the upcoming summit.”
    India’s Foreign Minister Krishna said that his country places great value in the “strategic partnership” with Moscow, and calling Russia a “great power and India’s sincere friend.”

    Lavrov took the opportunity to stress the need for India and Russia to implement the agreements hammered out over the course of the past year between President Medvedev, Indian President Pratihba Patil and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, who will represent India at the Summit in December.
    Hi-tech maintenance

    Also Wednesday, the Russian-Indian inter-governmental commission on trade, economic, scientific, technical and cultural cooperation held its 15th session.

    The commission recommended that the program be extended for another 10 years, with the required financing provided by both sides.
    The memorandum focused on the implementation of a comprehensive R&D program between the two nations, as well as the establishment of a Russian-Indian technological center where the exchange of knowledge and breakthrough discoveries may take place.

    India and Russia are looking to increase bilateral trade output, and not just on the military front, which continues to dominate trade figures.
    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev met with Krishna on Wednesday in the Kremlin where the “mutual support” aspect of the relationship took center stage.
    "I am very pleased to meet you in view of the energetic, systemic, diverse political dialogue that exists between the Russian Federation and India," Medvedev said in opening the meeting.
    “We have regular meetings, we maintain contact at a large variety of levels,” he said. “And this is a guarantee that our diverse and productive relations… will continue to develop.”

    Russian Vice-Prime Minister Sergey Sobyanin said trade turnover between Russia and India increased by 11 percent in the nine months of the year and could exceed 8 billion U.S. dollars by year’s end.
    Both states set down the challenge of increasing trade turnover up to $20 billion by 2015, Sobrabyin added.

    Finally, the parties also agreed to draw up a draft agreement on mutual understanding between the Russian state nanotechnology corporation Rusnano and the Indian Department of Science and Technology, Russia’s Interfax reported. The document may be signed in February or March 2010, the protocol states.

    In concluding Wednesday’s otherwise upbeat talks, Lavrov expressed condolences to his Indian counterpart over a fatal railway crash that occurred on Wednesday in Mathura, northern India, which killed 21 people and injured over a dozen.
    “Please accept our condolences,” Lavrov said, “over the collision of two trains in northern India that has claimed lives.”
    Krishna thanked him for the expressed condolences.

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  • #2
    There can be no doubt that America is the most powerful Empire to ever exit on Earth.

    Wow.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Maudib View Post
      There can be no doubt that America is the most powerful Empire to ever exit on Earth.

      Wow.
      Exit is correct...that's where the empire is headed. lol!!

      Talk about a Freudian slip.
      TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

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      • #4
        When yuh planning to move to India or Russia or China ?

        That is the real joke.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Maudib View Post
          When yuh planning to move to India or Russia or China ?

          That is the real joke.
          Silly....very Silly. My views don't depend on my geography.

          Neither was my posting of the article an endorsement of anything...except knowledge. Try it sometimes...instead of the trite propaganda you specialize in.
          Last edited by Don1; October 22, 2009, 09:05 AM.
          TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

          Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

          D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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          • #6
            dish it but cyaan tek it..

            lol !

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Maudib View Post
              dish it but cyaan tek it..

              lol !
              i just give you the facts youngster..jus di fax.
              TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

              Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

              D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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              • #8
                I speak with some americans (caucasians included) they understand the strategy of giving technology and some of US wealth to these nations (keeping them allies) but some believe that the US has transferred most of its wealth to these nations making the US middle class poor. Now look who these guys are cooperating with on a military basis.

                One Caucasian commented to me that twenty years ago these nations could not build anything; he said "we allowed them in our schools, transferred jobs and technology to their country". Now what? Guy was even proposing a quota on them coming to US universities and colleges, LOL . I'm just concerned that so much is being outsourced to finance what?

                Trust me Americans are not happy campers and it's easy for a minority to exploit the situation (talk show hosts; you figure it out)

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                • #9
                  [
                  quote=Jawge;194876]I speak with some americans (caucasians included) they understand the strategy of giving technology and some of US wealth to these nations (keeping them allies) but some believe that the US has transferred most of its wealth to these nations making the US middle class poor. Now look who these guys are cooperating with on a military basis.
                  This is a misreading of the situation. The US has frittered away it's wealth by living beyond its means and misallocating resources for too long. The chickens are now coming home to roost.

                  One Caucasian commented to me that twenty years ago these nations could not build anything; he said "we allowed them in our schools, transferred jobs and technology to their country". Now what? Guy was even proposing a quota on them coming to US universities and colleges, LOL . I'm just concerned that so much is being outsourced to finance what?
                  The US has been a great magnet for scholars all over the world....and after World War 2...the US moved masses of scientists out of Europe (mainly German) and appropriated European technology wholesale.....then declared it "American"....Russians did the same.

                  It's not surprising that World War 2 marked the start of American world dominance....now going about 3 generations.

                  The military and technological system and development of the West is integrated... with the US at the center...to defeat potential challenges to Western hegemony....the UK, Western Europe, Australia & UK...all collaborate with the US in developing technology.

                  More lately the US thru its immigration programs has acquired massive engineering talent out of Asia....some of which is returning as Asian economies provide more opportunities.

                  Much of the highest technological achievements claimed by the US...nuclear, space tech, rockets, jet propulsion, computers...even the internet.... was developed largely or significantly by non US born scientists....does this make this US technology? Yes...but it's more a cooperative effort by the West than anything else. Most Americans do not understand how the system works.

                  So scientific exchage is a 2 way street....you get...and you give.

                  Trust me Americans are not happy campers and it's easy for a minority to exploit the situation (talk show hosts; you figure it out)
                  mi dun figga it out lang time.
                  Last edited by Don1; October 23, 2009, 11:36 AM.
                  TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                  Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                  D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                  • #10
                    Did you notice Russia never bring technology to any country, nuh even talk about agriculture or any development for that contry, only to sell them arms, and use their ports?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TDowl View Post
                      Did you notice Russia never bring technology to any country, nuh even talk about agriculture or any development for that contry, only to sell them arms, and use their ports?
                      Tell that to Rusal ...the biggest player in Jamaica's bauxite/alumina industry...with Alcan & Alcoa & Kaiser & Anaconda nowhere to be found.

                      The time are a-changing.
                      TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                      Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                      D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                      • #12
                        Won't argue with you on that, what baffles me is how Germany was able to make all these thing: fighter jets (which Hitler never fully understood),rained down rockets on london and mountains of other technology. One explanation was that they were deep into quantum physics, hence the spin off whilst the other set of scientists were pondering relativistic physics. Russia literally transplanted some of their factories to Russia and the same for US (fuelling a cold war for decades)
                        The power of the MIND.

                        You are right about western cooperation but it would not be complete without reading their history. Trickery is at its best: see this documentary from the history channel called the dark ages. Those who know history would really smile at certain deception, yet there is an insight in the whole western Europe nexus.

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                        • #13
                          Oh I forgot; please address outsourcing. Thanks.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jawge View Post
                            Oh I forgot; please address outsourcing. Thanks.
                            Thomas Frieman addresses that much better than I ever could in The World Is Flat

                            But I know it's the greatest opportunity that Jamaica and many countries like it have to pull ourselves out of poverty.
                            TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                            Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                            D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jawge View Post
                              Won't argue with you on that, what baffles me is how Germany was able to make all these thing: fighter jets (which Hitler never fully understood),rained down rockets on london and mountains of other technology. One explanation was that they were deep into quantum physics, hence the spin off whilst the other set of scientists were pondering relativistic physics. Russia literally transplanted some of their factories to Russia and the same for US (fuelling a cold war for decades)
                              The power of the MIND.

                              You are right about western cooperation but it would not be complete without reading their history. Trickery is at its best: see this documentary from the history channel called the dark ages. Those who know history would really smile at certain deception, yet there is an insight in the whole western Europe nexus.
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                              TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                              Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                              D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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