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    Whenever I see reports like this I am more convinced that we should just get rid of income tax and find a more equitable way to collect tax revenue.

    This is simply ridiculous. The administrative costs are probably close to or higher than the actual amount of income taxes being collected.


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    Income tax shame!

    Besides PAYE, only 5,000 J'cans paying up


    Thursday, September 24, 2009

    EXCLUDING Pay As You Earn (PAYE) contributors, only 5,000 Jamaicans are actually paying income tax.

    The shocking revelation was made yesterday by Prime Minister Bruce Golding to a group of corporate executives discussing issues relating to the economy at the regular luncheon of business leaders hosted by Observer Chairman Gordon 'Butch' Stewart at the newspaper's headquarters in Kingston.


    Prime Minister Bruce Golding (second right) makes a point during yesterday's luncheon hosted by the Observer at its headquarters on Beechwood Avenue in Kingston. The luncheon, hosted by the newspaper's chairman Gordon 'Butch' Stewart (right), had in attendance business leaders and members of Government, including (from left) PanJam boss Maurice Facey, Minister of Information Daryl Vaz, and president of the Bankers Association, Minna Israel. (Photo: Joseph Wellington)

    Golding was responding to complaints by some executives that Government bureaucracy, especially its tax structure, was hindering economic development. But the Prime Minister sought to emphasise that it was not always the framework of the system but gross non-compliance among Jamaicans that posed the biggest problem.

    "We have 243,000 PAYE and if you take out the PAYE from the individual tax roll, it's only 5,000 left," said Golding. "Out of all the gas station operators, doctors, engineers, lawyers, accountants, taxi operators etc, it's only 5,000."

    The comments by Golding were made against the background that Jamaica was ranked a dismal 127th out of 132 countries in the World Bank's Doing Business 2010 report in the category of paying taxes.

    Industry Minister Karl Samuda, in response to the report, alluded to the fact that "it's not a business of access as to whether or not you can get a bly and pay your taxes quickly, it's a question of the system".

    "If we were to remove the bureaucracy that attends to the question of paying taxes at all levels, we could jump considerably and give a different impression of the country," said Samuda, adding that this was a primary area of reform that the Government was focused on.

    However, Golding, while agreeing that bureaucracy was a problem, insisted that the non-compliance attitude amongst Jamaicans was exacerbating the problem.

    "Take the question of property taxes for example, I don't know that there is any enormous bureaucracy about paying your property taxes... I don't know whether there is a problem about people getting their notices. What I'm saying is, does the difficulty in collecting taxes explain why we are only collecting 40 per cent of property taxes?"

    During its budget presentation in April, Government had announced that a forensic data mining intelligence unit was being developed to identify a wide cross-section of self-employed persons to ensure everyone is paying his/her fair share of taxes.

    It also announced a new phase of a tax amnesty which invited people who were not in the tax net to register and become compliant, with no questions asked about their prior years of non-compliance.
    "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

  • #2
    Or revamp the whole system....too few Jamaicans are bearing the burden of taxes for others who in fact can more afford it.....it's a fuedal system...a so the ting set?

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    • #3
      Enough wid the amnesty and the pleading. Time fi start hauling the offenders before the courts.
      "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Lazie View Post
        Enough wid the amnesty and the pleading. Time fi start hauling the offenders before the courts.
        Den gi wi likkle...gi dem likkle more time nuh man! Cho man!


        BLACK LIVES MATTER

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        • #5
          Just drop income tax and raise GCT so everybody pay.

          It too hard to collect taxes in Ja. That would result in less court cases, less tax cheat and more revenue for the government.

          See how people complain about the 10c tax on gas, but if they use it to repair the roads as intended can you imagine how much less car repairs they will have? We need to look at the whole picture. My problem is not the tax we pay but what is done with it.
          • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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          • #6
            getting rid of the income tax is not the way... it is making it mandatory that every jamaican should have a national id #... requiring EVERY business large, small and in between, EVERY vendor and sole propeitor to have a tax id # before they can have a license to operate... all businesses should be required to be listed in the tax office...

            bring in the irs as consultants to reform the tax system... then take firm stand and mandate some harsh penalties for non compliance...

            this is nothing to be surprised about... it was glaring that the majority of jamaicans were not paying taxes...

            its is a crying shame...
            'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Assasin View Post
              My problem is not the tax we pay but what is done with it.
              yuh nuh hear... nuhbady nah pay nuh taxes... suh why de concern bout what is done with it...
              'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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              • #8
                while I appreciate the idea, isn't going to lead to more corruption with more people handling the money and based on this article we might not have jail to put all a the people who commit crime as a result.

                Not beating your idea down but just challenging it(sometimes people don't seem to know the difference here).
                • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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                • #9
                  Isn't that what the TRN # is? Or was supposed to be?

                  You can reform and reform again but until the govt decide to take the firm stand and send people to jail then it doesn't matter what the tax laws say.

                  Too many people in high places would be impacted I guess. Yet them can send police fe lock up man fe badwud to rhatid.
                  "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mosiah View Post
                    Den gi wi likkle...gi dem likkle more time nuh man! Cho man!
                    2 years of amnesty and people still not coming on board? Time fi start locking dem up.
                    "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Assasin View Post
                      while I appreciate the idea, isn't going to lead to more corruption with more people handling the money and based on this article we might not have jail to put all a the people who commit crime as a result.

                      Not beating your idea down but just challenging it(sometimes people don't seem to know the difference here).
                      awrite sah... corruption or not, the revenues have to collected from all areas... that is paramount...

                      second, jail is not the only option... it can be in conjunction... aggressive assets seizure and auctions... 30 days or seizure.. the taxman should be feared at this time, even more so than criminals and police... the taxman should be the only don... even 'dons' should fear the taxman...

                      a special force should be put together just to go after the assets of suspected dons... tax evasion should have the highest punishment...
                      'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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                      • #12
                        i dont think everyone has a trn#... think that is only for tax payment purposes when a person is employed...

                        i am referring to a national id number for everyone in jamaica... similarly to the usa ssn... you can't enter school without one... jamaica is too loose...
                        'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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                        • #13
                          thank you, you seem to have your thing well thought out. I recently heard the security minister said they had some new law that they have that they have used to target some Don as it relate to not paying taxes.

                          One way or another we really need some serious people target these people. If the government is going to go that way I suggest they lower the tax rate at the same time so everybody think they got a break.
                          • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Islandman View Post
                            Whenever I see reports like this I am more convinced that we should just get rid of income tax and find a more equitable way to collect tax revenue.

                            This is simply ridiculous. The administrative costs are probably close to or higher than the actual amount of income taxes being collected.


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                            Income tax shame!

                            Besides PAYE, only 5,000 J'cans paying up


                            Thursday, September 24, 2009

                            EXCLUDING Pay As You Earn (PAYE) contributors, only 5,000 Jamaicans are actually paying income tax.

                            The shocking revelation was made yesterday by Prime Minister Bruce Golding to a group of corporate executives discussing issues relating to the economy at the regular luncheon of business leaders hosted by Observer Chairman Gordon 'Butch' Stewart at the newspaper's headquarters in Kingston.


                            Prime Minister Bruce Golding (second right) makes a point during yesterday's luncheon hosted by the Observer at its headquarters on Beechwood Avenue in Kingston. The luncheon, hosted by the newspaper's chairman Gordon 'Butch' Stewart (right), had in attendance business leaders and members of Government, including (from left) PanJam boss Maurice Facey, Minister of Information Daryl Vaz, and president of the Bankers Association, Minna Israel. (Photo: Joseph Wellington)

                            Golding was responding to complaints by some executives that Government bureaucracy, especially its tax structure, was hindering economic development. But the Prime Minister sought to emphasise that it was not always the framework of the system but gross non-compliance among Jamaicans that posed the biggest problem.

                            "We have 243,000 PAYE and if you take out the PAYE from the individual tax roll, it's only 5,000 left," said Golding. "Out of all the gas station operators, doctors, engineers, lawyers, accountants, taxi operators etc, it's only 5,000."

                            The comments by Golding were made against the background that Jamaica was ranked a dismal 127th out of 132 countries in the World Bank's Doing Business 2010 report in the category of paying taxes.

                            Industry Minister Karl Samuda, in response to the report, alluded to the fact that "it's not a business of access as to whether or not you can get a bly and pay your taxes quickly, it's a question of the system".

                            "If we were to remove the bureaucracy that attends to the question of paying taxes at all levels, we could jump considerably and give a different impression of the country," said Samuda, adding that this was a primary area of reform that the Government was focused on.

                            However, Golding, while agreeing that bureaucracy was a problem, insisted that the non-compliance attitude amongst Jamaicans was exacerbating the problem.

                            "Take the question of property taxes for example, I don't know that there is any enormous bureaucracy about paying your property taxes... I don't know whether there is a problem about people getting their notices. What I'm saying is, does the difficulty in collecting taxes explain why we are only collecting 40 per cent of property taxes?"

                            During its budget presentation in April, Government had announced that a forensic data mining intelligence unit was being developed to identify a wide cross-section of self-employed persons to ensure everyone is paying his/her fair share of taxes.

                            It also announced a new phase of a tax amnesty which invited people who were not in the tax net to register and become compliant, with no questions asked about their prior years of non-compliance.
                            If you dont require that people with 0 income to file taxes then most Jamaicans will have 0 income.

                            If it is unethical to require everyone with 0 income to file taxes but we need to find a way to cach those who are likely to be hiding income to file taxes irrespective of declared income. Requires everyone who owns real property or payes rent or whose name appears in a bank account or who have a new passport or have a drivers license to files taxes irrespective of income.
                            The same type of thinking that created a problem cannot be used to solve the problem.

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                            • #15
                              GCT? You think everbody handing over the GCT?
                              The same type of thinking that created a problem cannot be used to solve the problem.

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