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  • New York crime rate continues to drop in recession

    NYC on pace for record-low number of homicides


    NEW YORK – More New Yorkers are out of work, and the cash-strapped city isn't graduating a new class of police cadets this year. And yet crime is going down — way down.

    New York City is heading toward its lowest number of murders in almost 50 years, and overall crime is also down, the New York Police Department said Friday.

    The NYPD projects about 457 murders this year, the lowest total since the department first started keeping records in 1962.

    And, overall crime is down nearly 12 percent from 2008, and 40 percent since 2001, the NYPD said.

    The downward trend is mystifying criminologists who say crime usually rises when times are tough.

    "I don't have an answer to it," said Andrew Karmen, a sociology professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. "The poor and the unemployed are not fed up, or in despair. They still retain hope that the economy will turn."

    The nation's largest police department will continue to work diligently to combat crime, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said this week.

    "I'm often asked, how low can crime go and my answer is always the same: one crime is one too many," he said.

    The city had about six murders on average per 100,000 people last year, a rate among the lowest in the U.S., according to FBI crime statistics. In 2008, New Orleans had 64, St. Louis 47 and Los Angeles 10 per 100,000 people, according to the FBI.

    There is still room for New York's rate to decline, compared to London, where there are two murders per 100,000 people and Tokyo where there's one.

    Criminologists consider the murder rate as a benchmark to forecast the overall crime rate. But they also say the annual comparisons don't always reflect long-term trends and can be skewed by unusual events, like the Happy Land social club arson in the Bronx that killed 87 people in 1990.

    Karmen said poverty and unemployment are normally key factors in determining whether crimes will rise and fall; the city's unemployment rate in September is its highest in 16 years.

    During the downturn of the 1970s and '80s, New York was considered dangerous and run down. The city's homicide rate reached a high of 2,245 in 1990, tops in the nation. But crime has steadily decreased since then, and in 2007 the city had its fewest murders since comparable record-keeping began in the 1960s.

    As of Friday, New York City police reported 325 murders. If that rate continues through the end of the year, the total will beat the previous low of 497 murders, in 2007.

    Some New York City residents didn't quite believe the falling numbers. Katrina Ballard said that she doesn't feel safer.

    "At certain times I don't go to the stores," said the 22-year-old Ballard, who lives in Brooklyn. "Once it gets around 8:30 or 9 o'clock, I don't leave. I make sure I have everything I need so that I don't go to the store after that."

    She said that gun violence is common in her neighborhood, and that police seem to respond to shootings 30 to 40 minutes after an incident.

    In the past year, because of massive budget problems, Mayor Michael Bloomberg canceled a class of police academy cadets and reduced the cap on officers citywide. There are more than 30,000 officers.

    But Kelly said the department is working smarter and credits some of the same programs that have kept the crime rate declining for years. That includes placing most graduating police officers in higher-crime areas, and the department's Real Time Crime Center, an $11 million program launched about four years ago that relies on tips from pedestrians and uses satellite imaging and computerized mapping systems to identify geographic patterns of crimes.

    Violence used to occur in a wider area of New York, but is now mostly confined to the poorest neighborhoods, criminologists said. And most of the murder victims are young men, from poor neighborhoods and dysfunctional families who are unemployed and forced to attend failing schools that turn them off to education — problems that can't be solved with police strategies, criminologists say.

    "How low can you go? There is a certain bottom, but until you tackle these root causes and go beyond them, you won't reach it," said Karmen, author of "New York Murder Mystery: The True Story behind the crime crash of the 1990s."

    Still, police have made headway reducing crime in the city's poorest neighborhoods, Kelly said.

    "We take pride that, in many respects, the greatest beneficiaries of this crime decline have been the city's poorest citizens," he said.

    But the city's clearance rate — the number of homicides solved in a year, compared with the number of killings committed that year — stands at 70 percent, the same as 15 years ago.

    Chief NYPD spokesman Paul J. Browne said the city's clearance rate is among the best in the country, higher than the national average.

    But it's no comfort for victims' families, and can be confusing to civilians, Karmen said.

    "Police are solving fewer murders percentage wise, and yet they want credit for drop in murders," Karmen said. "It's confusing and troubling. Police are saying give us credit for bringing down the murder rate, but they're less able to solve murders than the 1990s."
    "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

  • #2
    I read the article yesterday and again it goes to prove that poverty alone is not the only cause of crime.
    • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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    • #3
      Assassin if poverty was a cause for crime, there would be 1000 more crimes being committed every day as there are more poor people living here than so calle dmiddle class or upper middle class ones.

      Poverty does not equal lack of morals and ethics.
      Solidarity is not a matter of well wishing, but is sharing the very same fate whether in victory or in death.
      Che Guevara.

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      • #4
        Well somehow many people use it and say without certain condition we can't improve our crime rate, something I don't believe.
        • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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        • #5
          are u for real? Poverty does not cause crime?

          As a former resident I'm sure you're aware of the fact that NY has one of the biggest social safety nets in the country; why act oblivious to this fact?

          Combine that with the NYPD occupying majority of the crime hot spots, public transportation, and public vicinities; rigid laws; the disbanding of major gangs over the past 3 decades; and residents fill with "moral and ethical" values.
          Karl commenting on Maschaeroni's sending off, "Getting sent off like that is anti-TEAM!
          Terrible decision by the player!":busshead::Laugh&roll::Laugh&roll::eek::La ugh&roll:

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          • #6
            there are many places with poverty that crime is low.

            the poorest places in Ja have the lowest crime rates. Check Maroon town, Portland and St.Mary to name a few.
            • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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            • #7
              lets deal with the issue of NY. Then we'll move on to the greater topic of crime as it relates to poverty.

              btw, for every Maroon Town, Portland, St Mary i'll give you 50 Remas, Trelawnys, and St. Catherines
              Karl commenting on Maschaeroni's sending off, "Getting sent off like that is anti-TEAM!
              Terrible decision by the player!":busshead::Laugh&roll::Laugh&roll::eek::La ugh&roll:

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              • #8
                "btw, for every Maroon Town, Portland, St Mary i'll give you 50 Remas, Trelawnys, and St. Catherines"

                maybe so but the Maroon town, St.Mary and Portland of the world do exists.
                • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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                • #9
                  LOL! ahh bwoy

                  how's GA?
                  Karl commenting on Maschaeroni's sending off, "Getting sent off like that is anti-TEAM!
                  Terrible decision by the player!":busshead::Laugh&roll::Laugh&roll::eek::La ugh&roll:

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                  • #10
                    bwoy love it but economy inna the ground right yah now.

                    mi get what you a say but everytime I remember how we grow up I know things can be better if we grow our kids right. mi know you a go tell me you nuh have nuh pickney
                    • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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                    • #11
                      hehee.. all I'm saying is that children spend 75% of their childhood away from the home
                      Karl commenting on Maschaeroni's sending off, "Getting sent off like that is anti-TEAM!
                      Terrible decision by the player!":busshead::Laugh&roll::Laugh&roll::eek::La ugh&roll:

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                      • #12
                        http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/wo...a.html?_r=1&hp
                        Karl commenting on Maschaeroni's sending off, "Getting sent off like that is anti-TEAM!
                        Terrible decision by the player!":busshead::Laugh&roll::Laugh&roll::eek::La ugh&roll:

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                        • #13
                          Sad situation but not surprising to be honest. You don't overcome those kinds of inequalities in one generation. Then add the AIDS epeidemic and what it has done to families in SA and the result is fairly predictable.
                          "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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                          • #14
                            amen!

                            Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                            • #15
                              I hope you mean if poverty was the ONLY cause for crime , then what you describe woudl be expected.

                              Poverty is without a doubt a cause for crime.
                              "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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