The Jamaica Project

[Don1]

I will add again, my major problem is who is agoing to be accountable. If these people are not accountable to their party, their leaders and the voters of Jamaica, putting them all togather is not going to get them anymore accountable. The fact is what we need is more people like Greg Christie and Danville Walker who are doing their jobs and are not afraid to hold these politicans accountable. We as supporters and independ need to hold not only one party or special people accountable, encourage the good and criticise the bad.

When it comes down to it Jamaicans can only be better with economic growth as that is the only way our tax base will grow and until we start to value productivity, economic growth, ownership and business development Jamaica is stuck in a cycle. While education is good it is onlhy a part of the solution as we can't continue to have 20% interest rate that stifle businesses, we can't afford to have so mahy foriegn investments without them floating a part of their company on the local stock market or give workers some form of ownership. We can't continue to have so many graduates without sending out in our communities. When it easier to get an import license that to start a business something is wrong.

Give tax concession like in downtown is good but it must be spread to local parish council in each parish and rural areas. People have to stop farm 1 banana tree, one patch a calaloo, 2 dozen carrot, and realise the potential. I will write a who chapter on this but you can't have a country so rich in natural fruits and goods and mango, pear tree, Nesberry tree, Breadfruit trees all grow because of the hand of god, as we don't even plant them.

Cute.

[Muadib]

Next time put more support behind the JLP so that dem could have the majority required to enact their changes at the pace you would desire...

Not only was their majority slim.. yuh had di PNP continuing the election process for another 2 years... NIGHTMARE indeed !!!

Just adding some context to your vacuum.

[Muadib]

The only evidence that is incontrovertible is the knack of the PNP to DESTROY whatever reall efforts of advancement have been implemented in Jamaica UNDER THE JLP...

Your problem is you do not respect history. If you did it would be clear as day how disastrous the STUPID policies of the PNP have been to the country in the 70s under their 'democratic socialism' and then in the 90's when tried on a new hat they were ill equipped to wear.

The only thing the JLP has done since 1972 is repair the breach in the hull created by the PNP.. only to have that breach made worse as they stood on the sidelines for 18 years.

Now barely 2 years into a assessment and repair process the vultures are at it again. Not even a monumental Global Recession give these cretin pause.. salivating at the mouth to begin the propoganda and tear-down process.

You need to examine your analytic process since you have stated you PREDICTED the 'failure'. The political environment in which a Govt is elected bears no direct relation to the ability of the Government to PERFORM.

Policies and the degree to which a Govt sets aside development policy in favour of political ends has been the downfall of the country under the PNP who while masters of the political game are pathetic in Governance towards development of productive capacity.

You should spend more of your time cleaning out the PNP party and restructuring it to be relevant as a Government when it eventually takes over the reigns again. The country needs two 'good' parents.. get to work..you have a hard road to travel.

[Comment]

Sigh.....so voting is now tribalism....... whatever.

But Don .....I still don't understand ...who will have the responsibility of allocating these resources....say US$300M(!!??)....who is going to lend us this money and again who is the "us" it will be lent to? That is not the way the world works my friend.

The scenario is thus...

"Uh.....Mr. Chavez/ World Bank/ IMF/ Multilateral etc..... my name is DON1 and I have a committee and we need about 300M and we are going to spend it responsibly..... and don't worry about the 12 billion we owe now but.....we have a coalition......everyone has come together....and we are going to dismantle the garrisons....and.....well....I know there is a high murder rate and.....you know.....these tribes and everything but...you know....they said somethings, we said somethings....but we've moved past that now."

Yeah good plan man........

I think we should appeal to the Privy Counsel to renounce our independence and bring us back under British rule. That would end these tribal matters...........

[Yuttie]

Why are we ignoring the 50 ton elephant in the room.?The huge subsidy of the garrisons that in turns crush the wallets of middle class(engine of any democracy) and the belief that Government can solve society's ills.

Our education factories/degree mills are producing human capital that cannot be facilated by our current job market. The weak emphasis placed on Engineering, the maestros of social evolution; can't we allocate MORE human capital in the developement of alternative energy(wind,hydro,tidal,solar), biofuel engineering, environmental engineering, conservation engineering,biomedicine, raw material purification, weapon development(since wi love guns ), infrustructure renovation, communication grids, chemical storage, agriculture science,etc?

Add our failure to utilise our competitive advantages in agriculture,tourism(Portland, St Andrew,St Catherine,etc), culture, music(we make peanuts compared to Reggaeton artists), construction, and sports (sports tourism, internationally marketable professional leagues) ;missing out on the opportunity to utilise our weak currency to attract overseas business, disastrous trade policies, pro-union stances, and the ridicule of everything uptown by the plurality. Limited consultants (importing/exporting),the list goes on and on Baddaz. How much percent of GDP does the Government occupy again? Some of these state entities need to be privatised and the markets should be open for competition.

Jamaicans are socially conservative and economically liberal. A combination for disaster (re; South Carolina, Louisiana, Missippi,Haiti, Guyana).

Anyway to address your question,crime is the offspring of our disastrous social policy. Not to mention the classic thrid world justice system.

[Don1]

Next time put more support behind the JLP so that dem could have the majority required to enact their changes at the pace you would desire...

Not only was their majority slim.. yuh had di PNP continuing the election process for another 2 years... NIGHTMARE indeed !!!

Just adding some context to your vacuum.

Just what changes did the JLP propose Rear Admiral? I recall nothing that is too transformative...merely tinkering.

Tinkering amounts to nothing....much more is required.

[Don1]

The only evidence that is incontrovertible is the knack of the PNP to DESTROY whatever reall efforts of advancement have been implemented in Jamaica UNDER THE JLP...

Your problem is you do not respect history. If you did it would be clear as day how disastrous the STUPID policies of the PNP have been to the country in the 70s under their 'democratic socialism' and then in the 90's when tried on a new hat they were ill equipped to wear.

The only thing the JLP has done since 1972 is repair the breach in the hull created by the PNP.. only to have that breach made worse as they stood on the sidelines for 18 years.

Now barely 2 years into a assessment and repair process the vultures are at it again. Not even a monumental Global Recession give these cretin pause.. salivating at the mouth to begin the propoganda and tear-down process.

You need to examine your analytic process since you have stated you PREDICTED the 'failure'. The political environment in which a Govt is elected bears no direct relation to the ability of the Government to PERFORM.

Policies and the degree to which a Govt sets aside development policy in favour of political ends has been the downfall of the country under the PNP who while masters of the political game are pathetic in Governance towards development of productive capacity.

You should spend more of your time cleaning out the PNP party and restructuring it to be relevant as a Government when it eventually takes over the reigns again. The country needs two 'good' parents.. get to work..you have a hard road to travel.

Typical response of a sycophant...promoting & defending your tribe.

[Don1]

Sigh.....so voting is now tribalism....... whatever.

But Don .....I still don't understand ...who will have the responsibility of allocating these resources....say US$300M(!!??)....who is going to lend us this money and again who is the "us" it will be lent to? That is not the way the world works my friend.

The scenario is thus...

"Uh.....Mr. Chavez/ World Bank/ IMF/ Multilateral etc..... my name is DON1 and I have a committee and we need about 300M and we are going to spend it responsibly..... and don't worry about the 12 billion we owe now but.....we have a coalition......everyone has come together....and we are going to dismantle the garrisons....and.....well....I know there is a high murder rate and.....you know.....these tribes and everything but...you know....they said somethings, we said somethings....but we've moved past that now."

Yeah good plan man........

I think we should appeal to the Privy Counsel to renounce our independence and bring us back under British rule. That would end these tribal matters...........

Yes Uncle Hugo who the JLP cuss wen it suit dem might help...not a bad place to start..
Jamaica is already accumulating masses of PetroCaribe funds at peppercorn rates...use it to build social capital...not housekeeping or infrastructure.


Fuss yuh waan American rule....now yuh ah defen British. Mek up yuh mine nuh?

What a bright vision for the country...will that be part of the JLP manifesto for the next election?

[Comment]

Yes Uncle Hugo who the JLP cuss wen it suit dem might help...not a bad place to start..
Jamaica is already accumulating masses of PetroCaribe funds at peppercorn rates...use it to build social capital...not housekeeping or infrastructure.


Fuss yuh waan American rule....now yuh ah defen British. Mek up yuh mine nuh?

What a bright vision for the country...will that be part of the JLP manifesto for the next election?

and laugh you should at my suggestions.... for they are as laughable as yours.....

I have another one SPAIN!!!.....AH HA!!! they are already heavily invested......the British imperialists stole the country from them. Let us rejoin with Spain...that will end this tribalism...we wouldn't have to vote for the dutty Labourites or the wutless Socialists.......

Ah.... we've got it now Don..... I think we've solved it.

[Don1]

and laugh you should at my suggestions.... for they are as laughable as yours.....

I have another one SPAIN!!!.....AH HA!!! they are already heavily invested......the British imperialists stole the country from them. Let us rejoin with Spain...that will end this tribalism...we wouldn't have to vote for the dutty Labourites or the wutless Socialists.......

Ah.... we've got it now Don..... I think we've solved it.

Unfortunately we are one of the few laughing..as the country continues inexorably down the toilet. Most weep & wail.

Continue fantasizing about your American or British bailout.

I'll continue my fantasy that Jamaica's dumb PNP/JLP politicians and their crazed sycophants...will eventually realize that they need to change radically.

Country before tribe ...not the reverse.

[Don1]

i like this thread... question, to all... what role does crime play in jamaica's social condition and economic development...

Crime plays a huge role in depressing Jamaica's prospects.

However crime cannot be effectively tackled, in a vacuum, as a mere "security issue" ala the constant "crime plans" that are served up frequently.

Cannot work.

[Muadib]

Typical response of a closed mind.. unless yuh hear 'Social Contract' yuh brain nuh engage.

If my 'tribe' is whom I deem to be more effective based on analysis of emperical data.. well so be it.

You really need to learn how to deal with analysis that does not fit your 'new age' agenda.

It would be advisable to get to a certain standard in one political model before talking about moving to an entirely new model.

It is an easier task (not by much) to transform the PNP to pre-Michael Manley form than to attempt the 'Social Contract' ting yuh promoting.

Get busy !

[Muadib]

You recall nothing ? LOL !

You know nothing.. yuh not even following yuh 'gazetted' approach much less...

LOL !

[Don1]

You recall nothing ? LOL !

You know nothing.. yuh not even following yuh 'gazetted' approach much less...

LOL !

Yup. I recall nothing particularly interesting.

Mostly lofty but vacuous promises of better days ahead. The typical crap that gets sycophants and the naive exercised.

[Muadib]

Lofty but vacuous promises ?

How are you able to determine if the 'promises' are lofty and vacuous ?

What is your opinion of the Energy Ministry sectoral presentation ?