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    'Dudus' nightmare

    Published: Tuesday | September 8, 2009

    A local intelligence official is warning that the nation is being plunged into a diplomatic nightmare, which is likely to have dire implications for the safety of the public and the economy of the country, with the apparent failure of Jamaican authorities to act on an extradition order for west Kingston strongman Christopher 'Dudus' Coke.

    "This is beginning to look like a fundamental breach of international laws and protocol," the official with connections to national security told The Gleaner.

    "Each signatory of the extra-dition treaty is paying close attention to the issue, and is making a report to their homeland," he claimed. "The matter could be managed better ... . It is not looking good at the moment."

    The official referred to special treatment, which should have been exercised to ensure that public safety is maintained.

    "There is no reason why the arrest cannot be made as soon as the order is signed ... . He (Coke) should have been arrested in secrecy, after which the details of the extradition could have been released to the public."

    The official said the safety of the public was being compromised with each day that passes with the extradition order not acted on.

    He further suggested that this was likely to have a serious effect on the fragile economy of the country, particularly in relation to the struggling tourism industry.

    Jamaica is no stranger to extradition orders from the United States since the two countries signed the treaty in 1991

    Former national security minister, Dr Peter Phillips, is one of two such ministers in the life of the People's National Party government that stretched between February 1989 and September 2007.

    The other was K.D. Knight.

    "As far as I know, there is nothing specific in terms of a response time (to a request for extradition)," former national security minister Dr Peter Phillips told The Gleaner.

    "It is expected that the response to the request must be done within a reasonable time."

    Machinery

    Phillips said the Government's preparation after the request is received is primarily dependent on how quickly the State can put the machinery in place to have the order carried out.

    The machinery, he said, usually comprises the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Ministry of Justice and the Ministry of National Security.

    Phillips said the national security ministry would be responsible for dealing with apprehension of the suspects through the security forces, if that became necessary.

    "In the case of sensitive persons, special arrangements are put in place in the event that special arrangements have to be put in place," Phillips disclosed.

    "Usually, the government requesting the extradition order alerts the receiving government that a request is on its way."

    Phillips said this was intended to ensure that all could be put in place to prevent public disorder, among other things.

    Over the past two decades, since the extradition treaty has been modernised, the Jamaican Govern-ment has not been spared raging controversies sparked by extradition orders for reputed area dons.

    Other cases

    A prominent case was that of Lester Lloyd Coke, better known as Jim Brown, the father of the latest extradition target, Dudus.

    The elder Coke was never extradited to the United States.

    He challenged the ruling but died in a fire at the Tower Street Adult Correctional Centre in 1992, before his case was completed.

    The smoke had hardly cleared in the early 1990s, when the United States dispatched an extradition order for Richard 'Storyteller' Morrison on drug-trafficking charges.

    The then Government came in for severe criticism from the then Opposition and the legal fraternity when Morrison was extradited under "unusual" circumstances before his case was completed.

    Since then, other prominent names which have been the subject of extradition orders are Vivian Blake, Norris 'Deedo' Nembhard and Leebert Ramcharan.

    "All that is being asked of the Government is to determine that the request is properly made and executed, that there is a prima facie case. The case is not for the Government to try," Phillips asserted.

    "That is why the treaty is with countries whose system can stand up to scrutiny," the former national security minister said.

    Intelligence official says extradition case should be handled better
    Karl commenting on Maschaeroni's sending off, "Getting sent off like that is anti-TEAM!
    Terrible decision by the player!":busshead::Laugh&roll::Laugh&roll::eek::La ugh&roll:

  • #2
    i agree with the opinions expressed. i, however, would not add the word "diplomatic" before the word "nightmare".

    Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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    • #3
      This article is rubbish. I understand the political hustings but this is getting silly.....

      Whenever in our country's history did it take less than a year for an extradition warrant to be executed.

      Does Peter Phillips really think this (or any government) will in 1 or 2 weeks just hand over someone?

      Is that what obtained when he was Minister?

      Is that what any reasonable Jamaican thinks should obtain?

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      • #4
        Meanwhile, Tivoli restocks and battens down for the big showdown. I guess you don't live there so you don't have to worry about it.

        You know as well as anyone else that Phillips is not saying anyone should be handed over in 1 or 2 weeks. Yuh tek wi fi eediat? But why the complete silence?


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        • #5
          Maybe they are doing some negotiations behind the scenes and to comment on the situation now would compromise that?

          Or is that too logical to be realistic?
          "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mosiah View Post
            Meanwhile, Tivoli restocks and battens down for the big showdown. I guess you don't live there so you don't have to worry about it.

            You know as well as anyone else that Phillips is not saying anyone should be handed over in 1 or 2 weeks. Yuh tek wi fi eediat? But why the complete silence?
            Because it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than run your mouth like Phillips and confirm it. I am genuinely disappointed in him. I still have high hopes for the man....

            Do you think he is helping this tension, of which you so eloquently write, or the people, which you and he claim to have some affinity for with his calculatedly disingenuous statements........ or do you think he is playing on their ignorance with his foolish and facile utterances?

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            • #7
              That is possible. But tell me, if they issue such a statement, would that in itself compromise things?


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              • #8
                I guess it depends what the statement says?

                I doubt they would want to say "We are negotiating with Mr Coke" although it is almost certain that they are.
                "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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                • #9
                  disagree....wid yuh but a suh. this is a very special situation given the history vis a vis jim brown. they cannot allow it to fester and for runpur and innuendo to build up as it is...this is one case in which they need to address it forthrightly.

                  Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Comment View Post
                    Because it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than run your mouth like Phillips and confirm it. I am genuinely disappointed in him. I still have high hopes for the man....

                    Do you think he is helping this tension, of which you so eloquently write, or the people, which you and he claim to have some affinity for with his calculatedly disingenuous statements........ or do you think he is playing on their ignorance with his foolish and facile utterances?
                    Break it down for me. You are the one splashing eloquence all over the place, clouding the issue. Had the govt issued a simple statement, then people like Phillips would not need to confirm his fool reputation.

                    I can't speak for Phillips, but I don't claim to have more affinity to the residents of TG more than any other garrison. I have good friends and business partners who reside in TG and I do know that hundreds of good, decent, hardworking (or hard job-seeking) people live there. I am not for the dropping of bombs into such neighbourhoods to flush out criminals. I wouldn't support it there or in Arnett Gardens.

                    Some of us, on the other hand, only value TG for what it can deliver come election time.

                    Try as best you can to leave the politics out of this.


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                    • #11
                      and the longer it takes, the bigger the attaclaps!

                      a suh it spell?


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                      • #12
                        they have made it EASY for him to be disningenuous.

                        if obama had not published his book about using smack while in college i think it would have derailed his application....

                        Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                        • #13
                          business partners! hehehehe
                          Karl commenting on Maschaeroni's sending off, "Getting sent off like that is anti-TEAM!
                          Terrible decision by the player!":busshead::Laugh&roll::Laugh&roll::eek::La ugh&roll:

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                          • #14
                            short people enjoy each odda company?

                            Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                            • #15
                              are you enjoying this?


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