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    When I come on here and talk angry at times, it’s crap like this that makes me angry!! Is there no longer a properly functioning justice system in Jamaica???

    You know what, maybe those on this forum who advocate for a heavily armed society are right!! In fact, I’m beginning to think that arming every adult is probably Jamaica’s only remaining hope. Who is there to protect this poor woman now? (And this is clearly not the fault of the police, as they did their job by arresting the animal!)

    Hunted!
    Woman says ex who stabbed and left her for dead is back again

    By KIMMO MATTHEWS Observer staff reporter matthewsk@jamaicaobserver.com
    Wednesday, July 22, 2009

    POLICE are wanting to question a man on a suspended sentence who it is reported has been harassing the woman he attacked and stabbed 144 times in 2007.

    The cops say they received reports that the man, Jermaine Beckford, last week visited the home of his ex common-law wife and later drove her down while she was at a bus stop going to work.

    "We have received the reports and have visited the family of this man and have issued a warning and also instruction that we want to interview him in relation to these reports," Sergeant Rennick Fairweather at the Waterford Police Station told the Observer.

    Beckford was convicted in 2008 on charges stemming from the 2007 attack where he beat and inflicted 144 stab wounds across the head and upper body of Oneka Grant, 27, the mother of his child. He was slapped with a three year suspended sentence for that incident.

    The police said they have also made contact with Grant, and have assured her that the police would be closely monitoring the matter.
    Meanwhile, a shaken Grant told the Observer that she was again living in fear.

    "Ah can't believe it. Is just last week I was at my home when he came there in a vehicle and left," Grant said.

    The frightened mother said a few hours later the same man drove her down in a car while she was heading to the bus stop to go to work.

    "Oh God to see that I went through all of that I thought that part of my life was over, now here I am again," she said, almost in tears.

    Grant also had a bone of contention with the court over the case.
    "Last week Thursday I went to report the matter and was told to go to the court for a restraining order," she said.

    She explained that she has gone to the courts twice to do as instructed and twice she has been told to wait long hours and then to return the following day.

    "Right now I am in my house, I am in fear for my life. I am afraid to leave my house," Grant said.

    She said she has now returned to school trying to improve her life but still cannot use one of her hands as the nerves are still damaged. Her fingers were almost severed in the attack.

    Beckford pleaded guilty in court to charges of unlawful wounding.

  • #2
    Why 'people' tun dem self innah 'bud' jus suh?
    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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    • #3
      A more relevant question would be....

      Originally posted by Karl View Post
      Why 'people' tun dem self innah 'bud' jus suh?
      Karl, I believe I understand your point, although I doubt if the police are going to end up killing this animal. But a more relevant question would be, “Why did a man get a suspended sentence after stabbing a woman 144 times?!” Is this another indication that justice is fast asleep in Jamaica? But, I guess we, including those at the helm in the courts, have become so accustomed to horrendous acts of violence that nothing moves us anymore.

      Now, see, this is where Amnesty International and I sometimes part ways! But I won’t go in that direction this morning.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Historian View Post
        When I come on here and talk angry at times, it’s crap like this that makes me angry!! Is there no longer a properly functioning justice system in Jamaica???

        You know what, maybe those on this forum who advocate for a heavily armed society are right!! In fact, I’m beginning to think that arming every adult is probably Jamaica’s only remaining hope. Who is there to protect this poor woman now? (And this is clearly not the fault of the police, as they did their job by arresting the animal!)

        Hunted!
        Woman says ex who stabbed and left her for dead is back again

        By KIMMO MATTHEWS Observer staff reporter matthewsk@jamaicaobserver.com
        Wednesday, July 22, 2009

        POLICE are wanting to question a man on a suspended sentence who it is reported has been harassing the woman he attacked and stabbed 144 times in 2007.

        The cops say they received reports that the man, Jermaine Beckford, last week visited the home of his ex common-law wife and later drove her down while she was at a bus stop going to work.

        "We have received the reports and have visited the family of this man and have issued a warning and also instruction that we want to interview him in relation to these reports," Sergeant Rennick Fairweather at the Waterford Police Station told the Observer.

        Beckford was convicted in 2008 on charges stemming from the 2007 attack where he beat and inflicted 144 stab wounds across the head and upper body of Oneka Grant, 27, the mother of his child. He was slapped with a three year suspended sentence for that incident.

        The police said they have also made contact with Grant, and have assured her that the police would be closely monitoring the matter.
        Meanwhile, a shaken Grant told the Observer that she was again living in fear.

        "Ah can't believe it. Is just last week I was at my home when he came there in a vehicle and left," Grant said.

        The frightened mother said a few hours later the same man drove her down in a car while she was heading to the bus stop to go to work.

        "Oh God to see that I went through all of that I thought that part of my life was over, now here I am again," she said, almost in tears.

        Grant also had a bone of contention with the court over the case.
        "Last week Thursday I went to report the matter and was told to go to the court for a restraining order," she said.

        She explained that she has gone to the courts twice to do as instructed and twice she has been told to wait long hours and then to return the following day.

        "Right now I am in my house, I am in fear for my life. I am afraid to leave my house," Grant said.

        She said she has now returned to school trying to improve her life but still cannot use one of her hands as the nerves are still damaged. Her fingers were almost severed in the attack.

        Beckford pleaded guilty in court to charges of unlawful wounding.
        I fail to see what this has to do with so-called Third World justice. This type of harrassment and apparent injustice happens daily in other societies ... including the USA.

        The justice system is more about LAW than JUSTICE. The two are often not identical.

        Did OJ Simpson get away with murder?

        Do people found with a few vials of crack get life sentences?

        Do people trafficking tons of coke get a few years in Club Fed?

        Injustices abound in every justice system.... that's universal.
        TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

        Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

        D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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        • #5
          That Is Your Focus??!

          Originally posted by Don1 View Post
          I fail to see what this has to do with so-called Third World justice. This type of harrassment and apparent injustice happens daily in other societies ... including the USA.

          The justice system is more about LAW than JUSTICE. The two are often not identical.

          Did OJ Simpson get away with murder?

          Do people found with a few vials of crack get life sentences?

          Do people trafficking tons of coke get a few years in Club Fed?

          Injustices abound in every justice system.... that's universal.

          I see. So the concern here is not with the plight of the poor, traumatized woman who was the victim two things: (a) a horrific attack, and (b) an obvious failure to achieve real justice from the (third) branch of government which is specifically responsible for the disbursement of justice?!

          Reading your reply, your concern here is obviously more to do with an analysis of my supposed fallacy regarding my statement about law and justice in so-called Third World countries, with the USA’s failures thrown in as reference!! You ignored the entire sordid details of the news story I posted in order to give a discourse on my subject line (the only place where the words “Third World” were mentioned)??!!

          Great, but I sincerely wish you could somehow find the lady, wherever she is, and tell her that injustice is everywhere!! I’m sure that will comfort her!

          The criminal justice system, as far as I know it, is arranged into three separate parts: the courts, the police and the prisons. My concern in making my initial post this morning was that the criminal justice system had broken down in the case of this woman, just as often seems to happen in other societies where legal systems are characterized by a backlog of cases clogging up the system, underpaid judges who work in less than adequate conditions, and other negative factors. My reference to “Third World” might have been ill advised in this case, but show some empathy, for heaven’s sake, as this was a brutal, callous act, accompanied by a miscarriage of justice. This should touch us all to the core!

          I’ll say this, though: The day we lose the capability and the capacity to feel compassion, to feel sympathy, and to feel emotionally torn over horrendous acts like this and the response of the justice system, then that will be the day when Jamaica’s death knell will truly begin ringing!

          If I interpreted correctly your reference to law and justice in your third sentence, then of course the justice system in both Jamaica and the USA is weighted more in favor of law than in achieving justice (although absolute justice is almost impossible to achieve in most cases). This is why a dumb 19-year-old boy, who naively believes a 15-year-old Jamaican girl when she tells him that she is 17 years old, will be charged with statutory rape and most likely face the consequences, despite the fact that she lied to him! The age of sexual consent in Jamaica and in the majority of the 50 states in the USA is 16 years of age, and so the law would have to be upheld, although one might argue that for the boy to go to prison and the girl remain unpunished, justice would not have been served.

          The bottom line, and this was my concern, is that if justice is designed to focus on the proper and effective resolution of conflicts between people and the upholding of what is right (which should be the primary function of justice everywhere), then clearly there is much to be desired in decisions often made by the courts. In the case of this woman, this failure seems to have been the case.

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          • #6
            Settle down, Historian. Who would not be...gobsmacked by what happened to the woman, thanks to our justice system? Don1 chose to comment on one particular section. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Indeed, one could argue that it goes without saying that we are all horrified about this and sympathise deeply with the poor lady. Do we need to try and see who is more sympathetic than the next person?! Of course not.

            So, Don1 chose to share his views on another part of the post whose implications and subtle undertones could be missed by many Forumites. Ain't nothing wrong with that!


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            • #7
              Originally posted by Historian View Post
              I see. So the concern here is not with the plight of the poor, traumatized woman who was the victim two things: (a) a horrific attack, and (b) an obvious failure to achieve real justice from the (third) branch of government which is specifically responsible for the disbursement of justice?!

              Reading your reply, your concern here is obviously more to do with an analysis of my supposed fallacy regarding my statement about law and justice in so-called Third World countries, with the USA’s failures thrown in as reference!! You ignored the entire sordid details of the news story I posted in order to give a discourse on my subject line (the only place where the words “Third World” were mentioned)??!!

              Great, but I sincerely wish you could somehow find the lady, wherever she is, and tell her that injustice is everywhere!! I’m sure that will comfort her!

              The criminal justice system, as far as I know it, is arranged into three separate parts: the courts, the police and the prisons. My concern in making my initial post this morning was that the criminal justice system had broken down in the case of this woman, just as often seems to happen in other societies where legal systems are characterized by a backlog of cases clogging up the system, underpaid judges who work in less than adequate conditions, and other negative factors. My reference to “Third World” might have been ill advised in this case, but show some empathy, for heaven’s sake, as this was a brutal, callous act, accompanied by a miscarriage of justice. This should touch us all to the core!

              I’ll say this, though: The day we lose the capability and the capacity to feel compassion, to feel sympathy, and to feel emotionally torn over horrendous acts like this and the response of the justice system, then that will be the day when Jamaica’s death knell will truly begin ringing!

              If I interpreted correctly your reference to law and justice in your third sentence, then of course the justice system in both Jamaica and the USA is weighted more in favor of law than in achieving justice (although absolute justice is almost impossible to achieve in most cases). This is why a dumb 19-year-old boy, who naively believes a 15-year-old Jamaican girl when she tells him that she is 17 years old, will be charged with statutory rape and most likely face the consequences, despite the fact that she lied to him! The age of sexual consent in Jamaica and in the majority of the 50 states in the USA is 16 years of age, and so the law would have to be upheld, although one might argue that for the boy to go to prison and the girl remain unpunished, justice would not have been served.

              The bottom line, and this was my concern, is that if justice is designed to focus on the proper and effective resolution of conflicts between people and the upholding of what is right (which should be the primary function of justice everywhere), then clearly there is much to be desired in decisions often made by the courts. In the case of this woman, this failure seems to have been the case.
              What did I do now??
              TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

              Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

              D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mosiah View Post
                Settle down, Historian. Who would not be...gobsmacked by what happened to the woman, thanks to our justice system? Don1 chose to comment on one particular section. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Indeed, one could argue that it goes without saying that we are all horrified about this and sympathise deeply with the poor lady. Do we need to try and see who is more sympathetic than the next person?! Of course not.

                So, Don1 chose to share his views on another part of the post whose implications and subtle undertones could be missed by many Forumites. Ain't nothing wrong with that!
                Phew!!!!!!!

                Tanks!!
                TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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