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    (I'm posting only the first page of this lengthy report. For the entire article, simply download the NY Times article and go to the other pages.)

    Source: The New York Times
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/ed...lege.html?_r=1

    The New Gender Divide
    At Colleges, Women Are Leaving Men in the Dust



    Chris Keane for The New York Times
    Victor Johnson, center, and Dennis Nelson, football players at Dickinson College, teased each other about never wanting to be seen in the library. They talked about playing a football video game six hours a day, at the expense of homework. Julie Younes, a senior, sat with them in the cafeteria.

    By TAMAR LEWIN
    Published: July 9, 2006
    Nearing graduation, Rick Kohn is not putting much energy into his final courses.

    "I take the path of least resistance," said Mr. Kohn, who works 25 hours a week to put himself through the University of North Carolina, Greensboro. "This summer, I looked for the four easiest courses I could take that would let me graduate in August."

    It is not that Mr. Kohn, 24, is indifferent to education. He is excited about economics and hopes to get his master's in the field. But the other classes, he said, just do not seem worth the effort.

    "What's the difference between an A and a B?" he asks. "Either way, you go on to the next class."

    He does not see his female classmates sharing that attitude. Women work harder in school, Mr. Kohn believes. "The girls care more about their G.P.A. and the way they look on paper," he said.

    A quarter-century after women became the majority on college campuses, men are trailing them in more than just enrollment.

    Department of Education statistics show that men, whatever their race or socioeconomic group, are less likely than women to get bachelor's degrees — and among those who do, fewer complete their degrees in four or five years. Men also get worse grades than women.

    And in two national studies, college men reported that they studied less and socialized more than their female classmates.

    Small wonder, then, that at elite institutions like Harvard, small liberal arts colleges like Dickinson, huge public universities like the University of Wisconsin and U.C.L.A. and smaller ones like Florida Atlantic University, women are walking off with a disproportionate share of the honors degrees.

    It is not that men are in a downward spiral: they are going to college in greater numbers and are more likely to graduate than two decades ago.
    Still, men now make up only 42 percent of the nation's college students. And with sex discrimination fading and their job opportunities widening, women are coming on much stronger, often leapfrogging the men to the academic finish.

    "The boys are about where they were 30 years ago, but the girls are just on a tear, doing much, much better," said Tom Mortenson, a senior scholar at the Pell Institute for the Study of Opportunity in Higher Education in Washington.

    Take Jen Smyers, who has been a powerhouse in her three years at American University in Washington.

    She has a dean's scholarship, has held four internships and three jobs in her time at American, made the dean's list almost every term and also led the campus women's initiative. And when the rest of her class graduates with bachelor's degrees next year, Ms. Smyers will be finishing her master's.

    She says her intense motivation is not so unusual. "The women here are on fire," she said.

    The gender differences are not uniform. In the highest-income families, men 24 and under attend college as much as, or slightly more than, their sisters, according to the American Council on Education, whose report on these issues is scheduled for release this week.

    Young men from low-income families, which are disproportionately black and Hispanic, are the most underrepresented on campus, though in middle-income families too, more daughters than sons attend college. In recent years the gender gap has been widening, especially among low-income whites and Hispanics.

    When it comes to earning bachelor's degrees, the gender gap is smaller than the gap between whites and blacks or Hispanics, federal data shows.

    All of this has helped set off intense debate over whether these trends show a worrisome achievement gap between men and women or whether the concern should instead be directed toward the educational difficulties of poor boys, black, white or Hispanic.

    "Over all, the differences between blacks and whites, rich and poor, dwarf the differences between men and women within any particular group," says Jacqueline King, a researcher for the American Council on Education's Center for Policy Analysis and the author of the forthcoming report.

    Differences Seen Early

    Still, across all race and class lines, there are significant performance differences between young men and women that start before college.
    High school boys score higher than girls on the SAT, particularly on the math section. Experts say that is both because the timed multiple-choice questions play to boys' strengths and because more middling female students take the test. Boys also score slightly better on the math and science sections of national assessment tests. On the same assessments, 12th-grade boys, even those with college-educated parents, do far worse than girls on reading and writing.

  • #2
    Thanks.

    "What's the difference between an A and a B?" he asks. "Either way, you go on to the next class."

    that kind of attitude makes a difference.
    • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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    • #3
      Pages 2 and 3 (of 6)

      (I'm posting below page 2 and page 3 of the six pages.)

      At Colleges, Women Are Leaving Men in the Dust

      Published: July 9, 2006

      (Page 2 of 6)


      Faced with applications and enrollment numbers that tilt toward women, some selective private colleges are giving men a slight boost in admissions. On other campuses the female predominance is becoming noticeable in the female authors added to the reading lists and the diminished dating scene.

      And when it gets to graduation, differences are evident too.

      At Harvard, 55 percent of the women graduated with honors this spring, compared with barely half the men. And at Florida Atlantic University in Boca Raton, a public university, women made up 64 percent of this year's graduates, and they got 75 percent of the honors degrees and 79 percent of the highest honors, summa cum laude.

      Of course, nationwide, there are young men at the top of the class and fields like computer science, engineering and physics that are male dominated.

      Professors interviewed on several campuses say that in their experience men seem to cluster in a disproportionate share at both ends of the spectrum — students who are the most brilliantly creative, and students who cannot keep up.

      "My best male students are every bit as good as my best female students," said Wendy Moffat, a longtime English professor at Dickinson College in Pennsylvania. "But the range among the guys is wider."

      From the time they are young, boys are far more likely than girls to be suspended or expelled, or have a learning disability or emotional problem diagnosed. As teenagers, they are more likely to drop out of high school, commit suicide or be incarcerated. Such difficulties can have echoes even in college men.

      "They have a sense of lassitude, a lack of focus," said William Pollack, director of the Centers for Men and Young Men at McLean Hospital/Harvard Medical School.

      At a time when jobs that require little education are disappearing, Mr. Mortenson predicts trouble for boys whose "educational attainment is not keeping up with the demands of the economy."

      In the 1990's, even as women poured into college at a higher rate than men, attention focused largely on their troubles, especially after the 1992 report "How Schools Shortchange Girls" from the American Association of University Women.

      But some scholars say the new emphasis on young men's problems — recent magazine covers and talk shows describing a "boy crisis" — is misguided in a world where men still dominate the math-science axis, earn more money and wield more power than women.

      "People keep asking me why this is such a hot topic, and I think it does go back to the ideas people carry in their heads," said Sara Mead, the author of a report for Education Sector, a Washington policy center, that concluded that boys, especially young ones, were making progress on many measures. It suggested that the heightened concern might in part reflect some people's nervousness about women's achievement.

      "The idea that girls could be ahead is so shocking that they think it must be a crisis for boys," Ms. Mead said. "I'm troubled by this tone of crisis. Even if you control for the field they're in, boys right out of college make more money than girls, so at the end of the day, is it grades and honors that matter, or something else the boys may be doing?"

      Women in the Majority
      What is beyond dispute is that the college landscape is changing. Women now make up 58 percent of those enrolled in two- and four-year colleges and are, over all, the majority in graduate schools and professional schools too.

      Most institutions of higher learning, except engineering schools, now have a female edge, with many small liberal arts colleges and huge public universities alike hovering near the 60-40 ratio. Even Harvard, long a male bastion, has begun to tilt toward women.

      "The class we just admitted will be 52 percent female," said William Fitzsimmons, Harvard's dean of admissions.

      While Harvard accepts men and women in proportions roughly equal to their presence in the applicant pool, other elite universities do not. At Brown University, men made up not quite 40 percent of this year's applicants, but 47 percent of those admitted.

      Women now outnumber men two to one at places like the State University of New York at New Paltz, the University of North Carolina at Greensboro and Baltimore City Community College. And they make up particularly large majorities among older students.

      The lower the family income, the greater the disparity between men and women attending college, said Ms. King of the American Council on Education's Center for Policy Analysis.

      Thomas diPrete, a Columbia University sociology professor, has found that while boys whose parents had only a high school education used to be more likely to get a college education than their sisters, that has flipped.

      Still, the gender gap has moved to the front burner in part because of interest from educated mothers worrying that their sons are adrift or disturbed that their girls are being passed over by admissions officers eager for boys, said Judith Kleinfeld, a University of Alaska professor who has created the Boys Project (boysproject.net), a coalition of researchers, educators and parents to address boys' troubles.

      Published: July 9, 2006

      (Page 3 of 6)


      "I hate to be cynical, but when it was a problem of black or poor kids, nobody cared, but now that it's a problem of white sons of college-educated parents, it's moving very rapidly to the forefront," Dr. Kleinfeld said. "At most colleges, there is a sense that a lot of boys are missing in action."

      Beyond the data points — graduation rates, enrollment rates, grades — there are subtle differences in the nature of men's and women's college experiences.

      In dozens of interviews on three campuses — Dickinson College; American University; and the University of North Carolina, Greensboro — male and female students alike agreed that the slackers in their midst were mostly male, and that the fireballs were mostly female.

      Almost all speculated that it had something to do with the women's movement.

      "The roles have changed a lot," said Travis Rothway, a 23-year-old junior at American University, a private school where only 36 percent of last year's freshmen were male. "Men have always been the dominant figure, providing for the household, but now women have broken out of their domestic roles in society. I don't think guys' willingness to work and succeed has changed, it's more that the women have stepped up."

      Ben Turner, who graduated from American this spring, said he did not believe that work habits were determined by gender — but acknowledged that he and his girlfriend fit the stereotypes.

      "She does all her readings for classes, and I don't always," Mr. Turner said. "She's more organized than me, so if there's a paper due a week from Monday, she's already started, and I know I'll be doing it the weekend before. She studies more than I do because she doesn't like cramming and being stressed. She just has a better work ethic than I do."

      Ms. Smyers, also at American, said she recently ended a relationship with another student, in part out of frustration over his playing video games four hours a day.

      "He said he was thinking of trying to cut back to 15 hours a week," she said. "I said, 'Fifteen hours is what I spend on my internship, and I get paid $1,300 a month.' That's my litmus test now: I won't date anyone who plays video games. It means they're choosing to do something that wastes their time and sucks the life out of them."

      Many male students say with something resembling pride that they get by without much studying.

      "If I take a class and never study, I can still get a B," said Scott Daniels, a 22-year-old at the University of North Carolina, Greensboro. "I know that if I'd applied myself more, I would have had better grades."

      On each campus, many young men concluded that the easy B was good enough. But on each campus, some had seen that attitude backfire.
      Michael Comes arrived at Dickinson two years ago from a private school in New Jersey where he had done well, but floundered his freshman year.
      "I came here with the attitudes I'd had in high school, that the big thing, for guys, is to give the appearance of not doing much work, trying to excel at sports and shine socially," Mr. Comes said. "It's like some cultural A.D.D. for boys, I think — like Bart Simpson. For men, it's just not cool to study."

      So when he no longer had parents and teachers keeping after him, or a 10:30 p.m. lights-out rule, he did not do much work.

      "I stayed in my room a lot, I slept a lot, and I messed up so much that I had to go to summer school," Mr. Comes said. "But I'm back on track now."

      'A Male Entitlement Thing'
      On each campus, the young women interviewed talked mostly about their drive to do well.

      "Most college women want a high-powered career that they are passionate about," Ms. Smyers said. "But they also want a family, and that probably means taking time off, and making dinner. I'm rushing through here, taking the most credits you can take without paying extra, because I want to do some amazing things, and establish myself as a career woman, before I settle down."

      Her male classmates, she said, feel less pressure.

      "The men don't seem to hustle as much," Ms. Smyers said. "I think it's a male entitlement thing. They think they can sit back and relax and when they graduate, they'll still get a good job. They seem to think that if they have a firm handshake and speak properly, they'll be fine."

      For the emaining pages, click on the link and go to the desired page after downloading:
      http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/ed...ewanted=3&_r=1

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      • #4
        Bing....

        This might be worth a second reading.

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        • #5
          Interesting. Yesterday I heard an interview on BBC with the head of the Jamaica Teachers' Association or whatever it's called in Jamaica; he said that boys in school in Jamaica are doing worse than girls, the reason why? because they perceive speaking proper English and doing well academically as making them look gay... this was the finding of a study that was done, not sure who did it.
          Peter R

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          • #6
            heard about it, retrofitting if you ask me! laziness and impatience is my take ... get rich quick!

            what, stateside dem fraid of speaking proper american and being called gay too? what an international phenomenon!!!

            Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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            • #7
              Owe You An Apology

              Peter R, I owe you an apology for failing (in another thread this week) to give you the proper credit you’re due. (This is similar to the same way I failed a couple of years ago for giving Gamma credit at first for my all-time favorite joke on this forum, his comment many years ago about Deon Burton getting injured “from falling off the bench?” Lol. That was the masterpiece of one-liners! )

              In a post a few days ago, I mistakenly credited Exile with posting YouTube videos featuring some incredibly brilliant young Asian guitar players. Actually, those excellent YouTube videos were posted by you, PeterR. Please accept my apology for this memory slip.

              Now to this thread: The overwhelmingly gender imbalance in favor of girls at universities has become a common feature of life in the Americas today. I recall reading about the admissions for the UWI, Mona, a few years ago (it may have been for September 2008), where it was revealed that some 82 percent of the students admitted that semester were female, while 18 percent were boys. A similar situation exists at many other colleges and universities in the USA and elsewhere in the Caribbean.

              Several of us posters tentatively explored possible reasons for this scenario in the past (on this forum).

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              • #8
                What fools! Dem neva watch di HardTalk interview?


                BLACK LIVES MATTER

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Peter R View Post
                  Interesting. Yesterday I heard an interview on BBC with the head of the Jamaica Teachers' Association or whatever it's called in Jamaica; he said that boys in school in Jamaica are doing worse than girls, the reason why? because they perceive speaking proper English and doing well academically as making them look gay... this was the finding of a study that was done, not sure who did it.
                  Fiya bun fi dat!!
                  TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                  Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                  D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                  • #10
                    too late shall be the cry...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Muadib View Post
                      too late shall be the cry...
                      Cry inna yuh Beloved Closet ...sarry Cabinet
                      TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                      Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                      D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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