Karl, here is another one for you to attack.

[Mosiah]

Is the issue now which era was better or whether or not we need to do something about our education system, of which our teachers are a part?

[Gamma]

so you are clueless as to the state of the teaching profession?

how often in your days did a teacher get stoned by a parent? how about being beaten up by a student for waking him up?

what about teachers threatening to strike?

karl yuh acting like seh yuh just come out of a hermetically sealed bubble either that or that your are jamaica's rip van winkle!

[Mosiah]

Not only that! Karl is the one who likes to remind us that, if the student has not learnt, then the teacher has not taught! Or something to that effect!

He's swapped that bugle for another one.

[Mosiah]

karl yuh acting like seh yuh just come out of a hermetically sealed bubble either that or that your are jamaica's rip van winkle!

Shady Pines has moved away from the medieval straight jacket and the medication will have you conjuring up all sorts of things. So...

[Gamma]

as i said...if yuh listen to karl long enough......

[Karl]

Is the issue now which era was better or whether or not we need to do something about our education system, of which our teachers are a part?

I wonder how it is that you link these?

Are we not all agreed that the systems needs overhauling and improvement? I had assumed that on that matter all on this board are agreed

Where there is room for argument is what gives the Minister the right to blame teachers only for failures in the system? It is a wondering on whether or not the Minister is being fair...and whether or not he has facts to support what I see as his 'crazy' outlandish posturing...and possibly from a perspective of 'broughtupsy', whether it is correct to being 'cussing' at the teachers with reference to support he has failed to supply (...and past Ministers of Education), the environment in which learning/teaching occurs?

[Karl]

Not only that! Karl is the one who likes to remind us that, if the student has not learnt, then the teacher has not taught! Or something to that effect!

He's swapped that bugle for another one.

...and where does that if the "student has not learnt..." go through the window in the context of this discussion? ...is it not the "why of the results" that we are debating? ...is it not the unfairness of the Minister's 'cass-cass' because he is not telling the truth and nothing but the whole truth that we are debating?

[Willi]

Nuff ah dem new fangled teachers can read and write properly.

Dont believe, go sit in on their classes or even read their job application letters. My mother is a school board chairman and the letters have gotten worse over the years. Mi si dem wid mi own 2 yeye! LoL

[Mosiah]

yuh twist mi up, Karl.

[Me]

All schools: Facts and figures, pleeeeeeeeeeeease?

In the good old days... What was the %age numbers untrained teachers in schools? ...what is the %age trained to untrained ratio in schools?

...and the figures now?

btw - Could we also have comparisons across subject lines for the secondary high schools?

Let's have a real discussion?
Thank you!

Facts and figures. You must be joking. The pass rate at the most of the top schools in Jamaica has gone down. I have spoken to Principals at the top schools and they all speak about their problems finding quality teachers and the issue of migration and them getting the what leff.

You talk to ministry and put together your subject by subject comparison. Microsoft Excel waiting on you.

[MdmeX]

Nuff ah dem new fangled teachers can read and write properly.

Dont believe, go sit in on their classes or even read their job application letters. My mother is a school board chairman and the letters have gotten worse over the years. Mi si dem wid mi own 2 yeye! LoL

Believe you meant can't (Nuff ah dem new fangled teachers can read and write properly.)

Anyway, just check out some of them attitude, dress, deportment and dem general behavior on the school premises. Mrs. Ruby Meredith (of Shortwood fame) mussi turn in her grave.

[Karl]

yuh twist mi up, Karl.

Why yuh twist up?
Isn't this about the Minister's 'always' attacking teachers?

Mosiah: If the standards have gone down, it cannot be only about the teachers.

Similarly if the standards have gone up, it cannot be only about the teachers.

There must be other contributing factors? Right?