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    yes! wi chat tu much!

    Stats indicate that Jamaicans are among the world leaders in average time spent on telephone calls and calls completed per capita... even with some of the highest rates worldwide.



    JCS: Tax cellphone talk, not computers

    Published: Friday | May 8, 2009



    Silburn Clarke, deputy president of the Jamaica Computer Society. - File THE JAMAICA Computer Society (JCS) is lobbying government to roll back the general consump-tion tax on computers, saying similar revenues could be generated by increasing the cess instead on cellphone talkers.
    The JCS is proposing that government charge five cents per minute for cellular airtime.
    "If you put five cents on each minute of cellular airtime, they will recover the revenue they are seeking. It is a much easier tax to apply," said Silburn Clarke, the society's deputy president.
    "They wont feel it at all," he said, referring to mobile subscribers.

    Negative for long term
    Clarke says the Government's decision to place a tax on computers would hurt the country in the long run.
    "The role of computers in modern society is that it facilitates production, learning and the building of knowledge," he said.

    Wrong direction
    "When you begin to tax the very instrument that helps your development you are going in the wrong direction. "This slow down is persistently small and you will not look six years from now and see a difference, but years down the road you will wonder why Jamaica continues to slide in comparison to its Caribbean neighbours and one of the things you will be able to point to is the tax on computers which none of the other Caribbean countries are doing."
    Still, there is no indication that the Government buys that argument.
    Last week, when the objections began, Prime Minister Bruce Golding in his monthly radio programme suggested that individuals who desire to purchase computers for educational purposes should do so through the schools, which are exempt from GCT, but was adamant that large organisations such as banks

    and business ventures such as exotic clubs will be taxed.
    Clarke argued that the application of the tax affects every business

    whether large or small, so the increase in the cost of a computer overall would affect any of the groups.
    "If the PM intended to say banks have the capacity, that's a different thing ... but the tax is going to affect everybody."
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    A case for taxing tech and other previously exempt items?

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    Dr Damien King, Guest Writer

    Should the Government levy GCT on a basic food item, such as bully beef, necessary for survival, consumed by poor, possibly unemployed, struggling single mothers? Yes.

    And if you happen to be a struggling single mother, you should be all for it.

    First of all, let's all agree at the outset that the Govern-ment has a duty to help the poor.

    After all, there but for the grace of God ...

    Rather, the issue we are going to address is efficiency. Efficiency is a straight-forward calculation of what proportion of your expenditure reaches the intended target.

    Suppose, by way of a hypothetical example, the government decided to distribute baskets of food to alleviate poverty.

    Misuse of public money

    Let us suppose further that, after implementation, an audit of the programme revealed that for every basket that was delivered to the deserving folk in Southside, six baskets were inadvertently delivered to some rather less deserving residents of Cherry Gardens.

    So if 700 baskets had been distributed, 600 of them ended up in the wealthiest households.

    There would be widespread agreement that the programme was a massive misuse of public money. Everyone would call for its abolishment.

    Only it's not hypothetical.

    The revenue foregone from the GCT exemption on bully beef has exactly the same effect as our hypothetical example.

    Data from the annual survey of living conditions reveals that, in 2006, the poorest 20 per cent of households consumed $87,000 of the food category that includes canned bully beef.

    At the same time, the wealthiest 20 per cent of households wolfed down $550,000 worth of the stuff. To put it another way, for every can of tax-subsidised bully beef bought by the poor, the very wealthiest amongst us bought six cans.

    The inescapable conclusion is that the GCT exemption has been mostly subsidising the consumption of the wealthy. Scandalous, you say.

    But there is more. The exemption creates an opportunity for slippery merchants to hide imports and sales of taxable commodities under the guise of the tax-exempt ones.

    The exemption facilitates tax evasion. Only the shopkeeper really knows how many taxable canned mandarin slices he sells compared to the amount of tax-exempt bully beef.

    Inconvenient truth

    A comparison of the total number of bags that enter the country as GCT-exempt 'school bags' with the actual bag needs of the number of enrolled students reveals an inconvenient truth: twice as many bags enter as the reasonable needs of the school population. If roughly the same level of corruption attends the importation and sale of food items, then the government is likely losing GCT on another $550,000 of foodstuffs that bear no resemblance to bully beef. None of this benefits the poor.

    Altogether, then, for every $100 of revenue foregone due to the GCT exemption for bully beef, only a shade over $8 is benefiting the truly needy. That's not particularly efficient.

    And how does the Government replace the wasted $92 of revenue? There are only two options. Either the tax is collected on something else or it is not collected at all. If not, the equivalent amount is added to the amount that government has to borrow every year to make up for missing revenue. So, you and I, rich and poor alike, are paying for subsidising bully beef consumption mostly by the wealthy and for facilitating evasion by the corrupt.

    This argument could be made for any of the items exempt from GCT. The wealthy consumes more of all of them. This should come as no surprise, since the wealthy, by definition, can afford more. Consider, as another example, that the biggest beneficiary of the GCT exemption on computers is probably Scotiabank (big, profit-making, foreign-owned corporation).

    The daily struggle

    But do the poor necessarily have to suffer along with the rich when we remove the exemption? Not at all. The objective, remember, is to ameliorate the daily struggle of the poorest and neediest. Well, there are better ways to do that. Public health, public education, public transportation, and the PATH programme are all accessed overwhelmingly by the poor. So if that $100 of foregone GCT were instead used to expand the school feeding programme, providing breakfast at some of our public schools, almost all of that expenditure would actually reach the poor. No resident of Cherry Gardens has slipped into the PATH programme. Not even one.

    So the poor should take to the streets in protest. Not because GCT has been put on bully beef, but because it is still left off so much else.

    Damien King lectures in economics at the University of the West Indies

    damienking@gmail.com
    "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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    • #3
      Cell phone users already pay 15% GCT on phone cards.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Hortical View Post
        Cell phone users already pay 15% GCT on phone cards.
        no problem... make them pay 20% and chat less.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Islandman View Post
          A case for taxing tech and other previously exempt items?

          -------------------------------------------------------------------

          Dr Damien King, Guest Writer

          Should the Government levy GCT on a basic food item, such as bully beef, necessary for survival, consumed by poor, possibly unemployed, struggling single mothers? Yes.

          And if you happen to be a struggling single mother, you should be all for it.

          First of all, let's all agree at the outset that the Govern-ment has a duty to help the poor.

          After all, there but for the grace of God ...

          Rather, the issue we are going to address is efficiency. Efficiency is a straight-forward calculation of what proportion of your expenditure reaches the intended target.

          Suppose, by way of a hypothetical example, the government decided to distribute baskets of food to alleviate poverty.

          Misuse of public money

          Let us suppose further that, after implementation, an audit of the programme revealed that for every basket that was delivered to the deserving folk in Southside, six baskets were inadvertently delivered to some rather less deserving residents of Cherry Gardens.

          So if 700 baskets had been distributed, 600 of them ended up in the wealthiest households.

          There would be widespread agreement that the programme was a massive misuse of public money. Everyone would call for its abolishment.

          Only it's not hypothetical.

          The revenue foregone from the GCT exemption on bully beef has exactly the same effect as our hypothetical example.

          Data from the annual survey of living conditions reveals that, in 2006, the poorest 20 per cent of households consumed $87,000 of the food category that includes canned bully beef.

          At the same time, the wealthiest 20 per cent of households wolfed down $550,000 worth of the stuff. To put it another way, for every can of tax-subsidised bully beef bought by the poor, the very wealthiest amongst us bought six cans.

          The inescapable conclusion is that the GCT exemption has been mostly subsidising the consumption of the wealthy. Scandalous, you say.

          But there is more. The exemption creates an opportunity for slippery merchants to hide imports and sales of taxable commodities under the guise of the tax-exempt ones.

          The exemption facilitates tax evasion. Only the shopkeeper really knows how many taxable canned mandarin slices he sells compared to the amount of tax-exempt bully beef.

          Inconvenient truth

          A comparison of the total number of bags that enter the country as GCT-exempt 'school bags' with the actual bag needs of the number of enrolled students reveals an inconvenient truth: twice as many bags enter as the reasonable needs of the school population. If roughly the same level of corruption attends the importation and sale of food items, then the government is likely losing GCT on another $550,000 of foodstuffs that bear no resemblance to bully beef. None of this benefits the poor.

          Altogether, then, for every $100 of revenue foregone due to the GCT exemption for bully beef, only a shade over $8 is benefiting the truly needy. That's not particularly efficient.

          And how does the Government replace the wasted $92 of revenue? There are only two options. Either the tax is collected on something else or it is not collected at all. If not, the equivalent amount is added to the amount that government has to borrow every year to make up for missing revenue. So, you and I, rich and poor alike, are paying for subsidising bully beef consumption mostly by the wealthy and for facilitating evasion by the corrupt.

          This argument could be made for any of the items exempt from GCT. The wealthy consumes more of all of them. This should come as no surprise, since the wealthy, by definition, can afford more. Consider, as another example, that the biggest beneficiary of the GCT exemption on computers is probably Scotiabank (big, profit-making, foreign-owned corporation).

          The daily struggle

          But do the poor necessarily have to suffer along with the rich when we remove the exemption? Not at all. The objective, remember, is to ameliorate the daily struggle of the poorest and neediest. Well, there are better ways to do that. Public health, public education, public transportation, and the PATH programme are all accessed overwhelmingly by the poor. So if that $100 of foregone GCT were instead used to expand the school feeding programme, providing breakfast at some of our public schools, almost all of that expenditure would actually reach the poor. No resident of Cherry Gardens has slipped into the PATH programme. Not even one.

          So the poor should take to the streets in protest. Not because GCT has been put on bully beef, but because it is still left off so much else.

          Damien King lectures in economics at the University of the West Indies

          damienking@gmail.com
          He makes good theoretical points regarding the unintended effects of taxation and the difficulties involved in targeting particular groups... not sure of his statistical data however.. the bully beey data defies intuiton... but he vouches for the data.

          All this does not disturb my point....increased taxes on chatting is a far better option than taxing computers... one of the key inputs to achieve improved productivity.
          TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

          Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

          D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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          • #6
            I think they already pay 20%...Highest SCT rate.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Willi View Post
              I think they already pay 20%...Highest SCT rate.
              Do I hear 25% then??
              TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

              Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

              D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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