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    Many parrots come on the forum railing about the US confronting and fighting dictatorial regimes around the world... as if this is some noble and moral cause.... and an issue of human rights and wrongs. Cuba is the latest country of interest here it seems.
    Some are very critical that I don't see it necessary to join their parroting of the "brutal Cuban dictatorship"... which line they get from the corporate US media.

    This is a line parrots learn from excessive mainstream US media consumption, the effects of which are very powerful and to most.... irresistable.
    US media very effectively programs/brainwashes its consumers to form these shallow views on policy... which is why one should have a healthy skepticism of the views of "the majority of Americans" at any given point in time.
    The fact that most people share these unsophisticated views of the foundations and intent of US policy makes the parrots very comfortable and secure... in their lack of understanding of the nature of political power.
    Parrots of a feather... flock together... it's a law of nature.

    Like all great states, the US promotes policy abroad that the existing administration feels will advance the power of the United States... that is the prime directive... all else (moral considerations etc) is entirely secondary.... and often immaterial.
    Of course these policies change with the times and with the priorities of different US administrations... but power projection or accumulation is always the ultimate objective.

    This construct makes for some strange circumstances and uncomfortable bedfellows in global politics... a supreme irony generally missed by the gullible parrots.... because it is not ventilated in the corporate media they consume and believe in so dearly.

    Witness just 2 of these recent ironies:

    1979 - 1989 US embraces Bin Laden & the brutal Taliban extremists... gives them sophisticated arms, training and unaccounted for billions in taxpayer money through the CIA... result: a very effective military-political force is formed and the USSR is driven out of Afghanistan... the brutal and totalitarian Taliban elements are celebrated in Washington as heroes but.... Afghanistan is then left to rot.

    Result:

    2001 - Bin Laden & the Taliban use that US military training and political organization to mutilate the US... it took less than 10 years to come full circle.... supremely ironic.


    1980 - 1988: the brutal and sadistic mass murderer Saddam Hussein invades Iran with the tacit agreement of the US. Rumsfeld even visits the sadist in his chambers and shakes his hand (I've seen the pics).
    The US openly supports the genocidal Saddam as he poison gases the Kurds and the Iranians... and brutalizes his people.. killing millions...piling the bodies in mass graves.
    The US gives Saddam trade, money, weapons and military intelligence..... at that time that administration desperately wants to limit Iran... and any brutal dictator will do.

    The war ends in a draw... both armies return to their original borders.... but Iran is weakened and subject to increased sanctions.


    When it was convenient Saddam was a nice friendly ally... just a few years later he was a brutal totalitarian and... whipped up by corrupt officials and the corrupt corporate media... witless Americans launch 2 devastating wars of choice against the mass murderer... and still can't extricate themselves.... but exult that the newly discovered dictator is toppled and then killed.

    The fact that Saddam was a key US ally at the zenith of his brutality and genocide... is unreported in the corporate media... and the gullible parrots are ignorant... they just know that.. WE KICKED BUTT!!

    On another note Joseph Stiglitz has estimated that the ultimate cost of the current Iraq war will be well north of $2Trillion... helping mightily to bankrupt the country.


    Now to the current talk of certain regimes... that they must do this or that... or else Uncle Sam will be vexed... get real.

    When you naive global political analysts twitter about totalitarian dictators brutalizing their people etc and the moral imperatives of US policy .... please decide to take the correct pill and try to escape the matrix.... you will see reality more clearly then.

    It's about power... not much else. Even Obama still has to operate in that milieu.

    Selah
    Last edited by Don1; May 2, 2009, 12:54 AM.
    TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

    Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

    D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

  • #2
    Tell that to our pal
    Jawge who is afraid of engaging the Chinese for fear of upsetting Uncle Sam!

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    • #3
      What is wrong with you?
      The US is an empire and will remain so through its use of power.
      China doesn't want power too?

      What if China goes to war with the US? Would you care to note that missiles that rained down on your cousins in NY, FL, et al came from JA.
      Gwaan act like yuh eediat this is why poverty will never leave our shores because we fail to use our vision.

      Personally think JA should get out o the mining game completely our leaders of the 50s did not bargain properly. Therefore we still lack the expertise to change that red dirt to pots and pans. Fortunately for JA a new age is here (info). This age we can take full advantage of; in order for the island of 2.7 million to live comfotablt and peacefully.

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      • #4
        When yuh planning to escape that brutal regime ?

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        • #5
          aaah sah

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Maudib View Post
            When yuh planning to escape that brutal regime ?
            which one.. Iraq, Afghanistan or Cuba? Fret not... plans are in train.



            how many times do I have to tell the fellow that truth does not depend on geography?
            Last edited by Don1; May 2, 2009, 10:48 AM.
            TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

            Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

            D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Willi View Post
              Tell that to our pal
              Jawge who is afraid of engaging the Chinese for fear of upsetting Uncle Sam!
              nuh you juss tell mi seh fi..... cho... mi naa buss it yah so!
              TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

              Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

              D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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              • #8
                Hahahahahaahahaha!

                Good one.

                I humbly apologise. LoL

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Don1 View Post
                  Many parrots come on the forum railing about the US confronting and fighting dictatorial regimes around the world... as if this is some noble and moral cause.... and an issue of human rights and wrongs. Cuba is the latest country of interest here it seems.
                  Some are very critical that I don't see it necessary to join their parroting of the "brutal Cuban dictatorship"... which line they get from the corporate US media.

                  This is a line parrots learn from excessive mainstream US media consumption, the effects of which are very powerful and to most.... irresistable.
                  US media very effectively programs/brainwashes its consumers to form these shallow views on policy... which is why one should have a healthy skepticism of the views of "the majority of Americans" at any given point in time.
                  The fact that most people share these unsophisticated views of the foundations and intent of US policy makes the parrots very comfortable and secure... in their lack of understanding of the nature of political power.
                  Parrots of a feather... flock together... it's a law of nature.

                  Like all great states, the US promotes policy abroad that the existing administration feels will advance the power of the United States... that is the prime directive... all else (moral considerations etc) is entirely secondary.... and often immaterial.
                  Of course these policies change with the times and with the priorities of different US administrations... but power projection or accumulation is always the ultimate objective.

                  This construct makes for some strange circumstances and uncomfortable bedfellows in global politics... a supreme irony generally missed by the gullible parrots.... because it is not ventilated in the corporate media they consume and believe in so dearly.

                  Witness just 2 of these recent ironies:

                  1979 - 1989 US embraces Bin Laden & the brutal Taliban extremists... gives them sophisticated arms, training and unaccounted for billions in taxpayer money through the CIA... result: a very effective military-political force is formed and the USSR is driven out of Afghanistan... the brutal and totalitarian Taliban elements are celebrated in Washington as heroes but.... Afghanistan is then left to rot.

                  Result:

                  2001 - Bin Laden & the Taliban use that US military training and political organization to mutilate the US... it took less than 10 years to come full circle.... supremely ironic.


                  1980 - 1988: the brutal and sadistic mass murderer Saddam Hussein invades Iran with the tacit agreement of the US. Rumsfeld even visits the sadist in his chambers and shakes his hand (I've seen the pics).
                  The US openly supports the genocidal Saddam as he poison gases the Kurds and the Iranians... and brutalizes his people.. killing millions...piling the bodies in mass graves.
                  The US gives Saddam trade, money, weapons and military intelligence..... at that time that administration desperately wants to limit Iran... and any brutal dictator will do.

                  The war ends in a draw... both armies return to their original borders.... but Iran is weakened and subject to increased sanctions.


                  When it was convenient Saddam was a nice friendly ally... just a few years later he was a brutal totalitarian and... whipped up by corrupt officials and the corrupt corporate media... witless Americans launch 2 devastating wars of choice against the mass murderer... and still can't extricate themselves.... but exult that the newly discovered dictator is toppled and then killed.

                  The fact that Saddam was a key US ally at the zenith of his brutality and genocide... is unreported in the corporate media... and the gullible parrots are ignorant... they just know that.. WE KICKED BUTT!!

                  On another note Joseph Stiglitz has estimated that the ultimate cost of the current Iraq war will be well north of $2Trillion... helping mightily to bankrupt the country.


                  Now to the current talk of certain regimes... that they must do this or that... or else Uncle Sam will be vexed... get real.

                  When you naive global political analysts twitter about totalitarian dictators brutalizing their people etc and the moral imperatives of US policy .... please decide to take the correct pill and try to escape the matrix.... you will see reality more clearly then.

                  It's about power... not much else. Even Obama still has to operate in that milieu.

                  Selah
                  Do not think Obama has made any bones about his aims...but duh do not use that word POWER it does not fit in our PR and brainwashng tactics...insert INTEREST of all free loving people!

                  Funny thing is, when I lived in Jamaica I would not accept the US' policy of self-interest...I thought at times the US was 'wiked'...but since becoming a US citizen I am more accepting of doing just about anything (just about anything) to defend the INTERESTS of the 'homeland'! After all is said, the world is a place where there are many who have aspirations surrounding destroying 'us'/wiping us from the face of the earth!
                  "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Karl View Post
                    Do not think Obama has made any bones about his aims...but duh do not use that word POWER it does not fit in our PR and brainwashng tactics...insert INTEREST of all free loving people!

                    Funny thing is, when I lived in Jamaica I would not accept the US' policy of self-interest...I thought at times the US was 'wiked'...but since becoming a US citizen I am more accepting of doing just about anything (just about anything) to defend the INTERESTS of the 'homeland'! After all is said, the world is a place where there are many who have aspirations surrounding destroying 'us'/wiping us from the face of the earth!
                    It depends what one calls "interests" and how this is defined.

                    Unless you believe that whatever the government does is truly in the interest of "all" people.

                    It is usually in the interest of their favoured constituency... eg transnational corporations and/or the military industrial complex.. that even Eisenhower warned about upon leaving office.

                    It seems you took the wrong pill Karl.
                    TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                    Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                    D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                    • #11
                      So you surrender to selfishness?

                      Anyweh yuh deh must be on top?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Don1 View Post
                        It depends what one calls "interests" and how this is defined.

                        Unless you believe that whatever the government does is truly in the interest of "all" people.

                        It is usually in the interest of their favoured constituency... eg transnational corporations and/or the military industrial complex.. that even Eisenhower warned about upon leaving office.

                        It seems you took the wrong pill Karl.
                        My friend, all I did was agree with your original post...and pointed out that I have become less strident 'now I am an American'!
                        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Willi View Post
                          So you surrender to selfishness?

                          Anyweh yuh deh must be on top?
                          Let me put it this way - We are all to some degree captive of our children...live for our children and our children's future!

                          I look a little more closely at what could be/would be the 'end result' of the actions or non-action. ...soooo yes to a certain degree I have surrendered.
                          "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                          • #14
                            And there in lies the problem.

                            Yuh have not resolved the conflict of duality.

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                            • #15
                              And everyone else is a child of a lesser god?

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