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    Europe’s Way of Encouraging Solar Power Arrives in the U.S.


    By KATE GALBRAITH
    Published: March 12, 2009
    Solar cells adorn the roofs of many homes and warehouses across Germany, while the bright white blades of wind turbines are a frequent sight against the sky in Spain.

    Kelly LaDuke for The New York Times
    John and Susan Stanton, with grandson Zachary Nadeau, at home in Florida.





    Karl-Josef Hildenbrand/European Pressphoto Agency
    Homes with solar panels in Germany, where homeowners are paid to produce green energy.






    If one day these machines become as common on the plains and rooftops of the United States as they are abroad, it may be because the financing technique that gave Europe an early lead in renewable energy is starting to cross the Atlantic.
    Put simply, the idea is to pay homeowners and businesses top dollar for producing green energy. In Germany, for example, a homeowner with a rooftop solar system may be paid four times more to produce electricity than the rate paid to a coal-fired power plant.
    This month Gainesville, Fla., became the first city in the United States to introduce higher payments for solar power, which is otherwise too expensive for many families or businesses to install. City leaders, who control their electric utility, unanimously approved the policy after studying Germany’s solar-power expansion.
    Hawaii, where sky-high prices for electricity have stirred interest in alternative forms of power like solar, hopes to have a similar policy in place before the end of the year. The mayor of Los Angeles wants to introduce higher payouts for solar power. California is considering a stronger policy as well, and bills have also been introduced in other states, including Washington and Oregon.
    “I’m seeing it with my own eyes — it’s really having a good effect on our local economy, particularly in these hard times,” said Edward J. Regan, the assistant general manager for strategic planning at Gainesville Regional Utilities in Florida. He said he had gotten calls from other cities and states since announcing the policy.
    The new payment method is referred to as a “feed-in tariff” in Europe. It is, in essence, a mandate by the government telling a utility to pay above-market rates for green electricity.
    It shifts the burden of subsidizing green energy from taxpayers, as is common in the United States, to electricity ratepayers. And the technique includes assurances that a utility will pay the high rates for a long period, often 15 to 25 years.
    The surge of interest in the payment system is a recognition that despite generous state and federal incentives, the United States still lags far behind Europe in solar power. Germany, where feed-in tariffs have been in place since 1991, has about five times as many photovoltaic panels installed as the United States, though they still account for only 0.5 percent of electricity in that country.
    In the United States, said Wilson Rickerson, a Boston energy consultant, “a lot of people simultaneously reached the conclusion — who’s moving fastest internationally? And that’s definitely been Germany and Spain.”
    In Gainesville, the new policy has already sparked a rush to put up panels. John Stanton, a retired civil servant living there with his wife, put 24 solar panels on his roof in late January, as city leaders sped the policy toward approval. Gainesville’s municipal utility will pay Mr. Stanton and other homeowners and businesses who generate solar power more than twice the standard electricity rate, guaranteeing that rate for 20 years.
    “It was the thing that sort of put us over the top,” said Mr. Stanton, who gained an appreciation of European energy policies after living in Italy for more than a decade.
    Mr. Regan said that homeowners with panels received a payment under the new policy that works out to more than a 25 percent premium over the city’s other incentives, which include rebates and a more modest rate payment.
    Wind power and other sources of renewable energy are generally included in the European payment systems, but solar — as one of the costliest renewables — has benefited the most. Payment rates in Europe for wind are substantially lower than for solar, according to Christian Kjaer, chief executive of the European Wind Energy Association.
    In the United States, solar panels remain prohibitively expensive — a big reason that the panels account for far less than 1 percent of electricity generation. Generating power from the sun using rooftop panels can cost four times as much as coal, the largest and cheapest source of electricity in this country.
    If a utility commits to paying a higher rate for renewable power over a period of years, it can offer those with solar panels or wind turbines a steady return that helps defray the initial cost of the equipment. “If you put your money in, you know you’re going to get it back,” Mr. Rickerson said, referring to Germany.
    But requiring utilities to pay extra for green power has a direct impact on ratepayers. Homeowners’ electricity bills will rise 74 cents a month in Gainesville, or about half a percentage point of the average homeowner’s monthly bill.
    “Seventy cents — what’s that? A Coke?” said Mr. Regan, of the Gainesville utility.
    Opponents of feed-in tariffs like Marcel Hawiger, a staff attorney for the Utility Reform Network in California, say that the policy would hit poor people the hardest by raising their electricity rates because a relatively high percentage of their income goes to pay utility bills.
    “Why should we use regressive taxation to support the most expensive form of renewable energy?” Mr. Hawiger asked.
    The solar programs have sometimes proved so popular that costs can spiral out of control. Last fall, blockbuster growth forced Spain to cap the number of solar installations it would subsidize. Ontario, which has had a feed-in tariff since 2006, also suspended its program last year after being oversubscribed, but wants to restart the policy.
    Even in Gainesville, homeowners wanting to put solar panels on their roof are now out of luck: a few days after introducing the policy, the city reached its cap on solar payments for this year and next. Meanwhile, a handful of utilities around the country are already doing similar things voluntarily, albeit on a tiny scale.
    For now, at least, solar-power advocates do not believe they have the votes in Congress to adopt a national feed-in tariff system like the ones in Germany and Spain. They are putting their hopes, instead, on proposals in Congress to mandate that a certain percentage of electricity comes from renewables.
    James Kanter contributed reporting.

    More Articles in Business » A version of this article appeared in print on March 13, 2009, on page B1 of the New York edition.
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    Admin... please put this in the correct forum
    TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

    Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

    D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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    • #3
      So where is the plan?

      I have driven all over the US and have never seen a solar panel much less a wind turbine in my life.

      The only energy plan I see them have a fi use so called effeciency bulb.
      Just talk shop. Hope Obama can change that but the only plan we in the US have is fi beg the Saudi.
      • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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      • #4
        So where is the plan?

        I have driven all over the US and have never seen a solar panel much less a wind turbine in my life.

        The only energy plan I see them have a fi use so called effeciency bulb.
        Just talk shop. Hope Obama can change that but the only plan we in the US have is fi beg the Saudi.

        Good article still
        • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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        • #5
          There has been some decent investment in wind energy in the US. In the Western plains farmers are getting royalties from wind turbines being constructed on thier land (no cost to them).

          You would never know it but the US is the largest producer of wind energy in the world now (as they should have been a long time ago).

          http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ndpower.energy

          Also, Obamas stimulus plan did put a tax credit in place for purchasing wind turbines.
          "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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          • #6
            Maybe true but the US is a very big country and based on the size it is a small venture.

            When isit the ordinary man who is going to build a house is going to have the option of putting up two solar panel? or know that wind turbine is a major part of energy production.

            The only thing I see is ethonal included when going to some gas pumps.

            until the ordinary people are aware of steps taken and how it influence their decision not enough is been done.
            • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Assasin View Post
              I have driven all over the US and have never seen a solar panel much less a wind turbine in my life.
              Mi know is a serious topic, but I can't help but laugh at this statement, particularly the driven all over US part.

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              • #8
                Most of the lead for wind and such usually comes from the state level. California is one of the states that is definitely a lot more serious than some of the others.

                Boone also planning to build the biggest farm in the world.

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                • #9
                  Personally I think its going to be wind power thats going to get to the consumer on a widespread level before solar , unless solar gets some major govt subsidies.

                  Wind energy is getting close to being competitive with the current sources, and so is getting more attention from the capitalists like Boone Pickens. General Electric seems to be giving wind turbines a lot of attention as a growing business too.

                  Ultimately I think i will take oil getting back to $100+ a barrell before alternative energy really takes off in the US. At least now there is an administration in the US that is interested in pushing those policies forward.
                  "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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                  • #10
                    One should probably view the US as made of of States at various levels of Energy Policy maturity and implementation... trying to generalize is a silly approach and should be left to the likes of DonUno et al.

                    Bunching Hawaii and California and Texas with say Alabama is well.. not very smart.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Maudib View Post
                      One should probably view the US as made of of States at various levels of Energy Policy maturity and implementation... trying to generalize is a silly approach and should be left to the likes of DonUno et al.

                      Bunching Hawaii and California and Texas with say Alabama is well.. not very smart.


                      So one can't assess national US energy policy because ... it's "made of of States at various levels of Energy Policy maturity"

                      With attitudes like this prevailing, no wonder Jamaica continues down the toilet.
                      TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                      Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                      D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Me View Post
                        Most of the lead for wind and such usually comes from the state level. California is one of the states that is definitely a lot more serious than some of the others.

                        Boone also planning to build the biggest farm in the world.
                        Those plans like Pickens' will only come to fruition if the feds build or incentivize private interests building the interstate transmission lines and intelligent power grids to connect to the energy farms and provide tax and environmental incentives etc. to protect from depressed prices as are being experienced now.

                        Absent a progressive national energy policy the US will continue to be behind Europe.

                        Obama seems to realize this.
                        TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                        Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                        D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Don1 View Post
                          Those plans like Pickens' will only come to fruition if the feds build or incentivize private interests building the interstate transmission lines and intelligent power grids to connect to the energy farms and provide tax and environmental incentives etc. to protect from depressed prices as are being experienced now.

                          Absent a progressive national energy policy the US will continue to be behind Europe.

                          Obama seems to realize this.
                          And that is where the politics comes into play. Should the "progressive" policy allow men like Pickens to make a killing.

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                          • #14
                            that's how the world works like it or not
                            TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                            Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                            D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                            • #15
                              Many "progressive" liberals would disagree with that.
                              "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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