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  • Obama - closet liberal ideologue or moderate?

    I hope it is the latter but to be honest I am not sure, particularly regarding his economic views.

    Obama has proven to be way too smart to be put in a box up to this point but if he wins who knows.
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    The Irony of Obama
    By Michael Gerson
    Washington Post

    WASHINGTON -- Less than two weeks away from his likely election as president, the debate continues about the nature of Barack Obama's deepest political beliefs. Is he -- as some liberals quietly hope and many conservatives loudly accuse -- a closet radical? Or is he a more subtle and moderate political figure who embraced, then discarded, the leftism of south Chicago in pursuit of a restless ambition? There is evidence for both views.

    For those in the first camp, Obama is the associate of Ayers, the acolyte of Alinsky, the friend of Pfleger, the disciple of Wright. The ACORN, in this argument, doesn't fall far from the tree.

    It is undeniable that Obama's record in the Illinois Legislature was conventionally liberal on crime and spending, and radical on abortion. During his brief U.S. Senate career, he has carefully avoided offending liberal constituencies. As a presidential candidate, Obama has felt no need to develop a third-way alternative to the Gore-Kerry agenda; his convention speech, to the contrary, was the Platonic form of that approach. And on the testimony of his unguarded moments, Obama has an elitist disdain for bitter, God-clinging conservatives and intends to "spread the wealth."

    So isn't the case clear and closed? Not really. From his days at Harvard Law School, Obama has combined progressive political views with instincts of reconciliation. As a state legislator, his social welfare proposals were often small and noncontroversial enough to gain Republican support. He has never joined the anti-religious culture war of secular liberalism. Even in the speech announcing his opposition to the Iraq War, Obama was careful to point out he is not a pacifist.

    When the time came to embrace gun ownership, terrorist wiretaps and the death penalty, Obama adapted with little apparent struggle. When the moment arrived to throw his Chicago associates under the campaign bus, the vehicle did not slow much for sentiment.

    This might seem like cynicism, but Obama does not appear to view himself as a lapsed radical. He sees himself as the reconciler of opposites, the seer of merit on both sides, the transcender of stale debates. He is the racial healer who understands racial anger. The peace candidate who prefers a more aggressive war in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The outsider who surrounds himself with reassuring establishment figures.

    During the presidential debates, Obama reinforced this image as an analyst not an ideologue -- the University of Chicago professor not the leftist community organizer. His entire manner douses inflammatory charges of extremism.

    So conservatives are left with what might be called the Niebuhrian hope. One of Obama's favorite philosophers is Reinhold Niebuhr (though I imagine Niebuhr's favorite philosopher might have been the same as George W. Bush's). Niebuhr's thought is complex, but he is properly known as the theologian of conflicted humility -- for his belief that human nature is flawed and fallible even, or especially, in the pursuit of good causes. Man, Niebuhr said, is an "ironic creature" because "he forgets that he is not simply a creator but also a creature."

    All things being equal, conservatives prefer liberals to be ironic and self-questioning rather than messianic and filled with gleaming-eyed intensity. In Obama's case, this humility might translate into an administration focused on achievable goals, run by seasoned, reasonable professionals (such as Tom Daschle and Dennis Ross), reaching out to Republicans in the new Cabinet, and avoiding culture war battles when possible.

    But there is a reason we don't generally praise Niebuhrian soldiers, Niebuhrian policemen -- or Niebuhrian presidents. Sometimes events call for courage and clarity, not a sense of irony. And courage may be required to confront a genuinely radical and passionate Democratic Congress.

    Following an electoral victory, Obama is likely to face a massive challenge: The least responsible, least respected, least popular political institution in America -- the Democratic-led Congress -- would also be the most emboldened. Democratic leaders with large majorities would be pushed by conviction and hubris, and pressured by Democratic constituencies, toward divisive measures that punish and alienate businesses, seek backward-looking political vengeance and impose cultural liberalism. This predictable story of overreach, backlash and bitterness easily could destroy Obama's presidency, even before his first achievements -- unless he can suddenly find the ability to shape, tame, even fight, the self-destructive tendencies of his own party.

    A closet radical would not even resist. A conflicted Niebuhrian, with ambitions of reconciliation, might make the attempt. But maybe only a passionate, committed, courageous moderate could succeed.

    Isn't that ironic
    "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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    He cant be any more "liberal" that Bush.

    Bush spent money like it grew on trees and there was no corporate socialist request that he turned down.

    Bush is a Corporate SOCIALIST!

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    • #3
      People voting democrat will be sending a message. They dont care about ideology...they want PRACTICAL solutions to pressing problems.

      The Congress will be pressured by the said voters who dont care about pendulums swinging back and forth. They care about surviving the coming economic hard times.

      Deep down in our collective subconscious, WE ALL KNOW what we are facing. We all know what is coming, no matter how much we consciously try to push it into the background. We all know the next 5 years will be EXTREMELY challenging.

      Great depressions invariably lead to great wars in history... that is our collective secret fear!

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      • #4
        Unfortunately ideology impacts the solutions that leaders come up with for problems.

        And the fact that Bush and his administration were also ideologes does not give me much comfort, we see where that has left the world.

        Its not Obama by himself that bothers me so much, it is Pelosi, Barney Frank and the rest of the gang.

        Regardless of what happens I don't expect anything along the lines of the great depression. Japan of the 90s and 00s is more like it, but probably somewhat worse since the US has no savings. Not pretty but not exactly bread and soup lines either.
        "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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        • #5
          "there you go again. say it aint so i-man!"

          Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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          • #6
            What I did this time, question Obamas political views?

            That not allowed on this site anymore? Is that why Karl is nowhere to be found, what unoo do with him? LOL!
            "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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            • #7
              unnuh may never find karl again......HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH.....

              no, i meant being nervous.

              Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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              • #8
                While I would be disapointed if Obama loses, the only thing I am nervous about is the global financial system which is clearly bigger than anything Obama or McCain can handle without a lot of help.

                And actually for the first time I am starting to wonder if the polls are under-representing the Obama lead somewhat. My non-scientific reason for saying this is the unprecedented size of Obamas crowds in swing states like FL and MO, and the unprecedented amount of money he is raising from unprecedented numbers of donors. All that seems to point to a much larger margin than 6-8 points (on average) to me.

                I still think there is at least one more surprise left in this race. Maybe I am wrong and the McCain team is simply out of options though, we will see.
                "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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                • #9
                  with whom the buck going to stop? More bailout, more tax cut and a congress who just going to add more pork barrell on every bill.

                  I can only hope after wining Obama get serious. The democrats currently are just too quick to support every spending bill from Iraq to Bail out and are afraid to challenge Bush over the past two years.

                  Will they challenge any of Borrack policy? even if it is bad? Will they get real and realise we can't continue to run these huge deficits?

                  If not we will revisit this bail out again in 3-4 years time.
                  • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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