McCain won this debate. How the

[Assasin]

the whole fact of the matter is McCain have a hell hole to climb out of. 8 years of Bush, 2 recession, Iraq amongst other things. The only reason Obama is close to him in the polls is because Obama black. Believe it or not but some whites still searching for a reason to vote McCain.

If Obama was white Obama would be 20 points ahead. There is no way I could vote for McCain for than two reasons. I wouldn't vote for Mr.Grandfather when he was 71, I don't believe in the republican reckless strategy, if a progress recession with good policy comes about maybe there is 20% chance, and the man admit he knows nothing about economics.

If McCain win we fart. For me Borack is no savior but I have to support the first black man who have a chance knowing that he is not reckless, and he can do better than McCain and hopefully help Americans standing in the world.

[Yuttie]

how much did Clinton, Carter, and JFK win by? why do you believe it's because he's black, is Karl racist?

c'mon ssassin yo look pan di thing too 1 dimensional, the country use to be and to some extent still is right leaning. Americans like most other nation believe in trusting the evil you know, some people value experience alot(how yo feel bout Palin), or the fact that after he secured the nomination he started to move to the center which alienated alot of ppl on the left(it's a reason why a 100 million ppl didn't show up in 04). When Barack moved to the center it almost cost him because for 1, he was not going to get any of those voters, he failed to show the liberal philosphy( why not explain the liberal view ) and finally it made in an ordinary politican. he's moving back to the left and this attracting the base, and disaffected voters.

[Baddaz]

omg... lazie, this is barack obama's compromising debating strategy... it is more strategic than tactical... if you examine obama's debates from the beginning, he employs the same strategy... he has told hillary and all who he has debated that they are right, whenever they are and then point out where they fall short and highlight where they differ from him on any given point... it is sheer brilliance and takes confidence to pull off...

the effect of such a strategy is it that it frustrates the opponent and allows the witnesses to the debate to view his opponent as agressive, rude and obnoxous... john mccain fell for that because at no time, did he return a similar compliment to obama... mccain came across as old style warrior ready for a barroom fight... obama came across as more level headed and poised to handle a crisis...

obama remained strategic... he frustrated mccain and caused him to ramble and be repetitive of the same (subject) iraq argument - the need to win the war, while the country has moved on and wants the leader to focus on other important issues, like the economy and the crisis at hand...

there were a few times mccain started rambling and obama asked jim leher to move on to another question... this was classic... exposing mccain to the people...

[Lazie]

Strategic? Really? Well, its just reported on CNN that McCain just put out an ad with Obama telling him he is right.

[Baddaz]

lazie... read this... i just found it on time.com

Grading the First Presidential Debate
by Mark Halperin

John McCain
Substance: His arguments were hard to follow at the beginning, but he found his voice as the debate progressed, although he never seemed fully in control of his message. He had plenty to say about the economy, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Russia, but often bogged down his own answers when trying to unfurl quips and soundbites. Stuck with bumper sticker slogans on the economy, and while he got a bit more detailed on foreign policy, he stayed at his usual level of abstraction. If he truly knows more about the world than Obama, he didn't show it in this debate.
Grade: B-

Style: Cluttered, jumpy, and often muddled. Frequent coughing early on helped neither his arguments nor his image. Jokes about being deaf and anecdotes about Normandy and George Shultz seemed ill-advised — even his pen was old. His presentation was further hindered by his wandering discussion of the differing heights of North and South Koreans and his angry assertion about how well he knows Henry Kissinger. Fell into the classic politician's trap of inserting familiar stump speech applause lines into debate responses — which only works if done with enthusiasm and clarity (and if received by applause — a big No-No in Lehrer's auditorium, which the audience obeyed seriously and silently). Keenly aware of the grand, grave occasion, McCain wavered between respectful and domineering, and ended up awkward and edgy.
Grade: C-

the entire article to be be found here...
http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...s-politics-cnn


Grading the First Presidential Debate
by Mark Halperin

Barack Obama
Substance: Quite manifestly immersed in the past, present, and future details of policy, and eager to express his views, which have been expanded, honed, and solidified during the last 18 months of hard campaigning. Still, he did avoid the nitty-gritty details of policy positions in favor of broad principles and references to working Americans, thereby not presenting the kind of specifics that some voters are waiting to hear from him.
Grade: B+

Style: Polished, confident, focused. Fully prepared, and able to convey a real depth of knowledge on nearly every issue. He was unhurried, and rarely lost his train of thought even when the debate wended and winded — and uttered far fewer of his trademark, distracting, "ums." At times, however, Obama revealed the level of his preparation by faltering over a rehearsed answer. He seemed to deliberately focus on the moderator and the home audience, with McCain as an afterthought — except when on the attack. Chose to avoid humor, for the most part, in favor of a stern demeanor, and in the process, came off as cool as a cucumber.
Grade: A

the entire article to be be found here...
http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...5106-2,00.html

[Lazie]

I had read it already. For me Obama missed TOO MANY opportunities Baddaz. The fact check article you posted and one on CNN makes me more convinced.

Obama allowed too many lies to go unanswered. Simply saying its not true isn't going to clear up any confusion. McCain lied about the taxing ppl making $42g, he lied about the military general's opinion on Obama's withdrawl plan etc.

The only one Obama responded to leaving little or no doubt was the point that people making less that 250gs will not face any tax increases. The same way he handled that is the same way he should have put the others to bed.

Where people like you and I will go searching for the facts, there are the Karls who tek McCain's lies as gospel.

[Gamma]

and for the people like karl does it REALLY matter what mccain says? this is not about the karl's it is the truly undecided who will do some homework......

[Yuttie]

why bother Lazie is the same man that called Jamaicans clueless for electing the PNP 4 straight terms.

Karl and Lazie should star in a sitcom

[Lazie]

why bother Lazie is the same man that called Jamaicans clueless for electing the PNP 4 straight terms.

Karl and Lazie should star in a sitcom

Mi notice yuh overly exuberant Yuttie. If you're attempting to make a point mek it nuh?

[Yuttie]

if you don't define yourself in politics ppl will define you. just as how ppl could relate to the PNP, americans could relate to bush. add that to manipulating the electoral process and you have consecutive terms.

Kerry, Gore, Seaga, Portia, and Phillips were caricatured.

[OJ]

guess the poll disagree with you all. obama won...

[Assasin]

Pundits: No clear-cut winner
Michael Calderone Sat Sep 27, 8:28 AM ET


CNN’s Anderson Cooper, shortly after the first presidential debate said, “there was not a sense the world had changed.”
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For hours beforehand, pundits tried to get inside John McCain’s head. There were questions about his “temperament,” his “risk-taking”, and — as the Obama campaign might say — his “erratic” ways.
But when the “two prizefighters,” as NBC’s David Gregory called them, exited the stage, the attention shifted away from the chaotic past 48 hours and toward the previous 90 minutes.
Fox’s Brit Hume called it a “spirited debate,” but like other commentators, agreed that there was no standout moment that will be replayed on an endless loop.
“There was not in this debate, it didn’t seem to this observer anyway, one of the moment — that will be the sound bite of the night, that you know when you hear it — oh boy, that’s going to be the one on the morning programs, that’s going to be the one everybody’s talking about,” Hume said.
Moderator Jim Lehrer didn't grandstand like other high-profile journalists during the primaries, and engaged the candidates, courteously pushing them to provide more specifics on what they would actually do in office. There weren't any 'gotcha' questions to trip anyone up, or cause a major gaffe.
As expected, both campaigns claimed victory, and spin room surrogates appeared on screen to make their candidates’ case. Joe Biden appeared on all three cable networks, while Sarah Palin didn’t — leading CNN's Wolf Blitzer to bring up her absence several times.
Of course, some partisans were quick to offer conclusive opinions. MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann said that there was no doubt Obama won, while Fox’s Bill Kristol contended McCain won. No surprises there.
“There will be a deal this weekend, and he will be vindicated," Kristol said.
But for the most part, there was no knockout punch to easily give the victory to either Obama or McCain.
“I would have a hard time saying one person won this one,” said CNN’s David Gergen.
So without picking a clear-cut winner, many pundits analyzed the back and forth on stage, and who scored points here and there.
CNN’s Jeffrey Toobin spoke about Obama's frequent practice of saying that “McCain is right,” with MSNBC’s Chris Matthews dubbing it an “amen chorus.”
As for McCain's approach to his Democratic competitor, Matthews said that McCain “not once, in an hour and a half, did he look at his opponent.” Later, Matthews referred to McCain several times as "troll-like," and asked his guests and Ole Miss students outside about that description.
Some pundits questioned whether Obama appeared tough enough, or missed opportunities on the economy — especially with the perception in the media that McCain was against the ropes going into the debate.
“John McCain could have lost this race tonight,” said CNN Republican strategist Alex Castellanos. “I’d say a tie is a good thing for the guy who was behind.”

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[Assasin]

Yuttie if Obama get the 1/3 of the democrats who do not want to vote for him because he is black, he would win by a landslide.

In my opinion the current President is the worst I have seen and if the race factor wasn't involve would have been up by a great deal especially after the last week.

[Baddaz]

Obama should have said that John and I agree on the issue...

that would have been the better phrasing... barack is a smart man... he will learn from this and be better for the next two debate... it was the same thing with hillary...

[Karl]

...For me Borack is no savior but I have to support the first black man who have a chance knowing that he is not reckless, and he can do better than McCain and hopefully help Americans standing in the world.

Unnuh gwaan kill Sass, tuh?
Hypocrites!