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    May 09, 2008
    Desperate Clinton is Danger to the Party

    By Eugene Robinson

    WASHINGTON -- From the beginning, Hillary Clinton has campaigned as if the Democratic nomination were hers by divine right. That's why she is falling short -- and that's why she should be persuaded to quit now, rather than later, before her majestic sense of entitlement splits the party along racial lines.

    If that sounds harsh, look at the argument she made Wednesday, in an interview with USA Today, as to why she should be the nominee instead of Barack Obama. She cited an Associated Press article "that found how Senator Obama's support ... among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again. I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on.

    "As a statement of fact, that's debatable at best. As a rationale for why Democratic Party superdelegates should pick her over Obama, it's a slap in the face to the party's most loyal constituency -- African-Americans -- and a repudiation of principles the party claims to stand for. Here's what she's really saying to party leaders: There's no way that white people are going to vote for the black guy. Come November, you'll be sorry.
    How silly of me. I thought the Democratic Party believed in a colorblind America.

    In private conversations last year, several of Clinton's high-profile African-American supporters made that same argument to me -- that America wasn't "ready" for a black president, that this simple fact doomed Obama to failure, that a Clinton Restoration was the best result that African-Americans could realistically hope for. Polls at the time showed Clinton leading Obama among black voters, a finding that reflected not only Clinton's greater name recognition but also considerable skepticism about a black candidate's ability to draw white support.

    Obama did prove he could win support from whites, of course, beginning in Iowa. He and Clinton effectively divided the party into demographic constituencies. Among the groups that have tended to vote for Clinton are white voters making less than $50,000 a year; among those who have turned out to vote for Obama are African-Americans, whose doubts about his prospects clearly have been allayed.

    Assuming that Obama is the eventual nominee, he will have some work to do in reuniting the party. But there's no reason to think he won't succeed -- unless Clinton drives a wedge between important elements of the party's historical coalition.
    Lower-income white Democrats may well defect to John McCain in the fall if Obama is the nominee, Clinton is arguing, whereas African-Americans -- who have been choosing Obama by 9-1 -- are going to vote for the Democratic nominee no matter what. Thus, she claims, she can better knit the party back together.

    Let's examine those premises. These are white Democrats we're talking about, voters who generally share the party's philosophy. So why would these Democrats refuse to vote for a nominee running on Democratic principles against a self-described conservative Republican? The answer, which Clinton implies but doesn't quite come out and say, is that Obama is black -- and that white people who are not wealthy are irredeemably racist.

    The other notion -- that Clinton could position herself as some kind of Great White Hope and still expect African-American voters to give her their enthusiastic support in the fall -- is just nuts. Obama has already won more Democratic primary contests; within a couple of weeks, he almost certainly will have won more pledged convention delegates and more of the popular vote as well. Only in Camp Clinton does anyone believe that his supporters will be happy if party leaders tell him, in effect, "Nice job, kid, but we can't give you the nomination because, well, you're black. White people might not like that."

    Clinton's sin isn't racism, it's arrogance. From the beginning, the Clinton campaign has refused to consider the possibility that Obama's success was more than a fad. This was supposed to be Clinton's year, and if Obama was winning primaries, there had to be some reason that had nothing to do with merit. It was because he was black, or because he had better slogans, or because he was a better public speaker, or because he was the media's darling. This new business about white voters is just the latest story the Clinton campaign is telling itself about the usurper named Obama.

    "It's still early," Clinton said Wednesday, vowing to fight on. At some level, she seems to believe the nomination is hers. Somebody had better tell her the truth before she burns the house down.
    eugenerobinson@washpost.com
    Last edited by Baddaz; May 9, 2008, 04:58 PM.
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    and that white democrats have this belief as well which is not borne out by the fact that she has lost to obama!!!!

    Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Baddaz View Post
      There's no way that white people are going to vote for the black guy. Come November, you'll be sorry.
      Why do Hillary and I believe this to be true?


      BLACK LIVES MATTER

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      • #4
        because you are both middleaged white women who think that you have a divine right to the presidency?

        Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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        • #5
          ahm...erm...no! wrong! try again!


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          • #6
            You also believe that black men could never be the governors of Massachusetts and Virginia.
            Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else - Vince Lombardi

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            • #7
              That was a surprise too.

              Let me just state it plainly - I would be very, very, very surprised if America votes for a black president.


              BLACK LIVES MATTER

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              • #8
                Prejudice is a complex issue when it comes to Americans. Many may vote for a black person, enjoy watching black athletes, but would be upset if a middle class black family became their next door neighbor.
                Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else - Vince Lombardi

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                • #9
                  and that's basically what I am saying. there are countless examples of that happening, especially when it comes to politics. Wilder should have easily become the Virginia governor but come election day, he barely scraped thru!


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                  • #10
                    but he did.....anyway are you on the fence or not?

                    Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                    • #11
                      not on any fence and that shouldn't even be asked.


                      BLACK LIVES MATTER

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                      • #12
                        ...and NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        The only time TRUTH will hurt you...is if you ignore it long enough

                        HL

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Baddaz View Post
                          May 09, 2008
                          Desperate Clinton is Danger to the Party

                          By Eugene Robinson

                          WASHINGTON -- From the beginning, Hillary Clinton has campaigned as if the Democratic nomination were hers by divine right. That's why she is falling short -- and that's why she should be persuaded to quit now, rather than later, before her majestic sense of entitlement splits the party along racial lines.
                          Proof that she campaigned as if the nomination was hers by divine right...please?

                          Was it not the media that coined the phrase "inevitable nominee"?


                          If that sounds harsh, look at the argument she made Wednesday, in an interview with USA Today, as to why she should be the nominee instead of Barack Obama. She cited an Associated Press article "that found how Senator Obama's support ... among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again. I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on.

                          "As a statement of fact, that's debatable at best. As a rationale for why Democratic Party superdelegates should pick her over Obama, it's a slap in the face to the party's most loyal constituency -- African-Americans -- and a repudiation of principles the party claims to stand for. Here's what she's really saying to party leaders: There's no way that white people are going to vote for the black guy. Come November, you'll be sorry.
                          How silly of me. I thought the Democratic Party believed in a colorblind America.
                          It is an argument to be made!
                          ...similar to the argument made by Obama; "I can get Hillary's votes, there is no certainty she can get mine!"

                          Well?...his include 80% - 90% African-American votes(voters). Is that not saying, 'Hillary you cannot get black votes'?

                          A direct quote -

                          "I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee," Obama stressed. "It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee."
                          So Eugene Robinson in context of the polling you claim Hillary's comments are racist? Well in that same context, Obama's is?

                          If we are proud of our blackness why the hell do we get upset when 'truth' describes our actions. Even on this very board the movement to Obama ...and it has been expressed...has much to do with "he is one of us"! We should be proud of him and feel pride that one of us is advancing towards becoming president...and proud of our role as fellow blacks for supporting him, not hiding our support by trying to talk crap. If Eugene has reason to think Obama shall receive enough white votes along with our votes and votes of other minorities make that case and stop the lying sh@#^%&^%$#it! ....divisive sh@#$%^%$%#@#!

                          Ooooh??? ...could it be that Eugene really wants to start a race war and skuttle Obama's November fight against John McCain? Imagine Eugene never even made a case about the importance of the Hispanic votes in Texas and other places where their votes will be important? No attempt to broaden the base and diffuse the white/black clear voting pattern divide? ...and Eugene is no fool?


                          In private conversations last year, several of Clinton's high-profile African-American supporters made that same argument to me -- that America wasn't "ready" for a black president, that this simple fact doomed Obama to failure, that a Clinton Restoration was the best result that African-Americans could realistically hope for. Polls at the time showed Clinton leading Obama among black voters, a finding that reflected not only Clinton's greater name recognition but also considerable skepticism about a black candidate's ability to draw white support.
                          So there were blacks who knew and acknowledged that black-white divide? So why the nonsense of a pretense that it does not exist...and Hillary's repeat of what those blacks thought and expressed is 'criminal'? The woman wants to win...and she spoke to the obvious voting pattern and why she thinks it works to her advantage.

                          Obama did prove he could win support from whites, of course, beginning in Iowa.
                          ...and that is more power to him!

                          He and Clinton effectively divided the party into demographic constituencies. Among the groups that have tended to vote for Clinton are white voters making less than $50,000 a year; among those who have turned out to vote for Obama are African-Americans, whose doubts about his prospects clearly have been allayed.
                          That is the fact! The same fact to which Clinton spoke! Are you then a racist for saying the same thing? ...or is it only racist if spoken by whites? That logic is damn foolish...it speaks to some of us who have deep in our consciousness...perhaps not so deep in our consciousness...hate for selves! ...and that is a crying shame!

                          Assuming that Obama is the eventual nominee, he will have some work to do in reuniting the party. But there's no reason to think he won't succeed -- unless Clinton drives a wedge between important elements of the party's historical coalition.
                          Why should she...particularly as you also argued on Fox that she is laying the groundwork to reappear as a candidate for president in the future? You can't have it both ways! She is either laying the groundwork for a future bid at the presidency or she is "burning the house down"?


                          Lower-income white Democrats may well defect to John McCain in the fall if Obama is the nominee, Clinton is arguing, whereas African-Americans -- who have been choosing Obama by 9-1 -- are going to vote for the Democratic nominee no matter what. Thus, she claims, she can better knit the party back together.

                          Let's examine those premises. These are white Democrats we're talking about, voters who generally share the party's philosophy. So why would these Democrats refuse to vote for a nominee running on Democratic principles against a self-described conservative Republican? The answer, which Clinton implies but doesn't quite come out and say, is that Obama is black -- and that white people who are not wealthy are irredeemably racist.

                          The other notion -- that Clinton could position herself as some kind of Great White Hope and still expect African-American voters to give her their enthusiastic support in the fall -- is just nuts.
                          Here is what you have said Eugene - In the Presidential Elections Democrats who are white will vote democratic (for Obama) ...but Democrats who are black would never vote democratic (for Clinton)! Anyone who thinks blacks would still vote democratic if Clinton is the nominee is "just nuts"! "Irredeemably racist" statement? ...or obviously nonsense? ...or are you both openly racist and a fool?


                          Obama has already won more Democratic primary contests; within a couple of weeks, he almost certainly will have won more pledged convention delegates and more of the popular vote as well. Only in Camp Clinton does anyone believe that his supporters will be happy if party leaders tell him, in effect, "Nice job, kid, but we can't give you the nomination because, well, you're black. White people might not like that."
                          Only in your mind you would believe either of the losers and their followers would be happy with losing!

                          Clinton's sin isn't racism, it's arrogance. From the beginning, the Clinton campaign has refused to consider the possibility that Obama's success was more than a fad. This was supposed to be Clinton's year, and if Obama was winning primaries, there had to be some reason that had nothing to do with merit. It was because he was black, or because he had better slogans, or because he was a better public speaker, or because he was the media's darling. This new business about white voters is just the latest story the Clinton campaign is telling itself about the usurper named Obama.

                          "It's still early," Clinton said Wednesday, vowing to fight on. At some level, she seems to believe the nomination is hers. Somebody had better tell her the truth before she burns the house down.
                          a) It is a combination of Obama to some degree being all the things you outline and more;

                          b) Even you conceded elsewhere that she needs 'the house' for a future run! It therefore makes no sense "burning the house down".

                          You need to get real, "we are black and we're proud"...we are proud of Obama's run and proudly we back him. When he gets the nomination as he must unless he has something in his past that comes back to bite him or he does something between now and the democratic convention to "mess up", Hillary will i) as a democrat and ii) for sensible personal reasons be working to have him become our President.

                          Just "chill"!
                          Last edited by Karl; May 10, 2008, 02:17 PM.
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