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  • The Story of Storeys....

    and other confusions, according to Wikipedia..... see below.... many, many idiosyncrasies!

    Suffice it to say that it is the overwhelmingly given practice, including in professional real estate, not to consider a basement as a "storey".
    Those who want to pursue the technicalities of this definition which has obviously morphed over time ... let them exercise that idiocy to their heart's content.... I guess to them a building's basement is really the first floor!
    I recall when first going to appointments in NY and being told that an office was on the first floor.... I would head for the floor above the ground floor (i.e. the 2nd Flr) because in my experience that WAS the 1st floor.
    Also seeing floors jump from 12 to 14.... the 13th floor is virtually nonexistent.... ignorance!
    Language is a hell of a thing. It's not to be toyed with by the uninitiated.




    Storey
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A storey (also spelled story[1]), floor, deck or level is the level of a building above (or below) the ground.

    Buildings are often classified by how many levels they have. Low-rise, mid-rise, and high-rise buildings are all common, with the tallest skyscrapers having upwards of a hundred. Multi-storey buildings usually must have additional safety systems, such as fire sprinklers and fire escapes, as mandated by building codes.

    The height of each storey is based on the ceiling height of the rooms and the thickness of the floors between each. Generally this is around ten feet or three metres total, however it varies widely from just under this figure to well over it. Storeys within a building need not be all the same height — often the lobby is quite spacious, for example. Higher levels may be smaller than the ones beneath (a prominent feature of the Sears Tower).

    Some houses have an extra storey of living space in the attic, basement, or both. Split-level homes have two sides of the house offset from each other by a half-storey, while some homes have only a split-level entry, with the front door opening to two half-sets of stairs leading up to the main floor and down to the basement door.

    There are also multi-storey car parks, also known as parking garages.
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    * 1 Numbering
    o 1.1 Lower floors
    o 1.2 First floor
    o 1.3 Idiosyncrasies
    o 1.4 Floor zero
    * 2 See also
    * 3 Notes

    [edit] Numbering
    Elevator plate with floor numbering. In most buildings in U.S.A. and Canada, there is no thirteenth floor.[citation needed]
    Elevator plate with floor numbering. In most buildings in U.S.A. and Canada, there is no thirteenth floor.[citation needed]

    Floor numbering is the numbering scheme used for a building's floors; it varies depending on the level of the "first floor" and on the names given to the subterranean levels.

    Room numbers generally start with the floor's number; occasionally the first element may be the letter representing the floor. In large buildings, two conventions are common:

    * Odd numbers are used for one side of the building and even for the other.
    * The second digit in the room number indicates a specific block or wing of the building.

    Confusion arises from the two forms of floor numbering in use worldwide.

    In most of continental Europe, as well as the British Isles and much of the Commonwealth and Latin America, the floor at the ground level is the ground floor and the floor above is the first floor, which maintains the continental European use that dates from the days of the construction of palaces. For example, in French, the term for the ground floor is rez de chaussée which is numbered zero. In Spanish it is known as planta baja. In Peru particularly these have blended and the planta baja and primer piso are one and the same. Or, alternatively, the former extends to any space within the building's property at ground level whether constructed or not, while primer piso applies exclusively to the area that contains human constructs.

    But in North American usage (with certain exceptions in Québec; however, "rez-de-chaussée" and "premier étage" are now generally equivalent in Québec), the floor at the ground level is usually, but not always, the first floor and the floor above is the second floor; this system is also used in Russia, Scandinavia and some other countries of the former Soviet Union or Eastern bloc. China follows the American system, except that the numbers used are cardinals (one, two, three, etc.) rather than ordinals (first, second, third).

    The principal floor is the floor that contains the chief apartments, whether on the ground floor or the floor above; in Italy they are often on the latter and may be known as the piano nobile. The floor below the ground floor is called the basement even if only a little below ground level, or the lower ground floor; the floor in a roof is known as the attic or the loft.

    In the U.S., the expressions one pair, two pair, etc., apply to the stories above the first flight of stairs from the ground (see also carpentry).

    [edit] Lower floors

    Subterranean levels vary in numbering systems, often using B for Basement or P for Parking, for the first level below ground, although L (or LL) for Lower Level or Lobby is sometimes used. In British department stores, "LG" for "Lower Ground" is commonly encountered, as the term "basement" is considered inappropriate for their image. The next level down may be SB for "Sub-Basement", although numbering more frequently occurs at this point, either B1/P1 etc. or use of negative numbers -1 etc.

    It is worth noting that in certain buildings in the US with a subterranean parking lot, the basement parking floor is labelled G, representing "garage". Such a labelling in elevators may be misleading, as the button for G is directly below the button for the first floor and may be understood as "ground".

    Occasionally, buildings in the US will have both a 1st floor and a Ground floor. The Ground floor is typically partially or completely underground. Sometimes in this configuration, the Ground floor will be accessible from outside the building as well.

    [edit] First floor

    In British English, in reference to typical buildings, the "first floor" is the first floor above the ground; but in American English, it is another name for the ground floor.

    Most European countries, Latin American countries, countries of the Commonwealth (except Singapore and parts of Canada, which use the American system), and former British colonies like Hong Kong, follow the same convention as the British. Finland, Norway, Russia, some countries of East Europe, and most of eastern Asia (including China and Japan) have a convention similar to the American system.

    Hong Kong is unusual in that it follows the British rule in English, but for some old tenement buildings the Chinese characters follow the American rule. The existence of two systems in Hong Kong has led to confusion in water bills there, as the Water Supplies Department attempted to translate some English addresses (using British system) into Chinese (the older buildings use American system but the new ones often use the British system) [1].

    Higher floors are then numbered consecutively in each case, as illustrated by the following table:
    British convention American convention Hong Kong convention Japanese convention
    3rd floor 4th floor 3rd floor (and 三樓, 四樓 (literally 4th floor) for old tenant buildings) 4F
    2nd floor 3rd floor 2nd floor (and 二樓, 三樓 (literally 3rd floor) for old tenant buildings) 3F
    1st floor 2nd floor 1st floor (and 一樓, 二樓 (literally 2nd floor) for old tenant buildings) 2F
    Ground floor Ground or 1st floor Ground floor (and 地下 (literally Ground floor) for old tenant buildings) 1F or 地上階 (Ground floor)

    It is obvious that this can lead to some confusion, but little else can be done other than being aware of this issue. If it is necessary to be unambigious, possibly "Floor X excluding (or including) the ground floor" may be clearer. Put simply, the rule is:

    * American English floor number minus 1 = British English name
    * British English floor number plus 1 = American English name

    [edit] Idiosyncrasies
    Three ground floors and two seconds

    For buildings with entrances on two different floors, such as those built into a hill, different naming schemes may be used in different parts of the world. In North America, the lower floor would typically be called the "ground floor" and the upper floor the "first floor" In the UK, the lower of these floors would be known as the lower ground floor, while the upper would be called either the upper ground floor or simply the ground floor. Some U.S. high-rise buildings follow the British system, often out of a desire on the part of the building's architect or owners to suggest a posh UK/ European setting.

    Non-numeric names may be used in some buildings such as hotels; for example, the uppermost level may be PH (for Penthouse), R (for Roof), or OD (for Observation Deck), and the entrance level may sometimes be denoted M (for Main), or L (for Lobby). However, some buildings use extremely idiosyncratic denotation - one hotel in Toronto marks the first six floors as A, M, MM, C, H, and 1 (for Arcade, Main, Main Mezzanine, Convention, Health Club, and 1st floor). The North Carolina Museum of Art, whose entrance is on the third floor up, has the floors lettered C, B, A, (main floor) and O, meaning office.

    American and Canadian buildings typically omit the thirteenth floor in their floor numbering because of common superstition surrounding this number. The floor numbering may either go straight from 12 to 14, or the floor may be given an alternative name such as "Skyline". In some Asian countries, because the number four sounds like "death" in Chinese and related languages, it is sometimes skipped in hospital buildings, and some business buildings follow this convention as well.

    Other deviations from the norm can be seen around the world. Examples of such deviations include sometimes numbering basement or the lowest level basement as floor 1. Thus, the ground floor may be numbered 2 or even something higher. Another occasional deviation is numbering the ground floor as 0. One sometimes finds buildings where different parts of the same building are numbered differently, e.g., the carparks have a separate level numbering from the occupied spaces at the same level. Often these buildings will have a star next to the elevator button for the floor with the "main" street level exit.

    Many shopping centres in Hong Kong use unusual floor labelling systems. For instance, Festival Walk, a high-class mall in Kowloon Tong, effectively has four "ground floors" labelled LG2 (lower ground 2), LG1, G, and UG (upper ground). "Level 1" at Festival Walk would actually be the fourth floor if LG2 were to be considered the ground floor.

    Romania uses Roman numerals for floor numbers in postal addresses, but Arabic numerals in all but the oldest elevators.

    [edit] Floor zero

    In buildings in the USA, there is usually no floor numbered zero. The first floor is immediately above the first basement.

    Outside of North America, Japan and Russia, the ground level is referred to as 0 or some other local variant indicating the name of the ground floor in that language.
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  • #2
    A storey (also spelled story[1]), floor, deck or level is the level of a building above (or below) the ground.
    ...

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    • #3
      "RIU Hotel planned five storeys, one underground."

      Your response is, since when is a basement considered a storey.

      Your response is one born out of IGNORANCE.

      Your rather limited experience in 'real estate' is interesting yet quite irrelevant give the context, which in case you missed it is contravention of Hotel Building Plans where it is important to be TECHNICAL and accurate.

      Don1 Construction Engineer: "But sar, mi nuh count a basement as a storey suh yuh cyan tell mi a lie me was a tell"

      LOL ! WHOEE !!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Maudib View Post
        "RIU Hotel planned five storeys, one underground."

        Your response is, since when is a basement considered a storey.

        Your response is one born out of IGNORANCE.

        Your rather limited experience in 'real estate' is interesting yet quite irrelevant give the context, which in case you missed it is contravention of Hotel Building Plans where it is important to be TECHNICAL and accurate.

        Don1 Construction Engineer: "But sar, mi nuh count a basement as a storey suh yuh cyan tell mi a lie me was a tell"

        LOL ! WHOEE !!
        A basement is not a storey in commonly accepted practice... however you can continue to peddle that technicality if it entertains you.... I can see it now.... all those ranch houses with basements can now be advertised as TWO STOREY DWELLINGS
        Great selling point!

        BTW I was looking forward to being shunned... shucks!
        TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

        Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

        D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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        • #5
          ...and if you throw in the attic...


          BLACK LIVES MATTER

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mosiah View Post
            ...and if you throw in the attic...
            mi neva even wah go deh suh!!

            I guess when the fellow wants to enter a basement he declares " I'm going to the first storey"
            TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

            Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

            D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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            • #7
              No. Attics don't count something to do with the supporting walls.

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              • #8
                'Commonly Accepted Practice' ???

                Is a basement a storey within the context of a discussion regarding Building Plan breaches of a Major Hotel ?

                Is it 'acceptable' to describe a Hotel as a 5 Storey Structure with 4 stories above ground and 1 storey below ?

                Mine mi haffi call in Peter Jervis tuh box, box yuh up !

                Unlike yuh Mr. Buffoon, I don't try and reinvent the Wheel.. there are many experts that can advise and validate assertions.. I have already done so.. you can continue to try and prove that the World is Flat, it is quite entertaining..

                As much rope as you demand I can feed you.. at the rate you going yuh head gwine tear clean off...

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                • #9
                  No, that's the ground storey.

                  snicker!


                  BLACK LIVES MATTER

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                  • #10
                    [QUOTE=Maudib;100065]'Commonly Accepted Practice' ???


                    Unlike yuh Mr. Buffoon, I don't try and reinvent the Wheel.. there are many experts that can advise and validate assertions.. I have already done so.. you can continue to try and prove that the World is Flat, it is quite entertaining..QUOTE]

                    The only thing you need to reinvent is a brain.

                    Continue to call a basement a storey and continue to attract ridicule.
                    I don't mind.
                    TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                    Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                    D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mosiah View Post
                      No, that's the ground storey.

                      snicker!
                      storey come to bump!!
                      TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                      Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                      D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                      • #12
                        Wooiiiee!


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                        • #13
                          Is nuh hotel wi ah talk bout ?

                          Dem man tink is ah 3 bedroom Unit dem a build ?

                          Attick ??!

                          Ah wheh di ?!

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                          • #14
                            It is a tough job but somebody has to do it.

                            You are ignorant to the point of being dangerous so I count this as a service to mankind:

                            Deep Basement Construction A Case Study


                            Auckland

                            Abstract

                            Parklands Apartments is a sixteen storey hotel development on the fringe of Auckland’s CBD with thirteen storeys above ground and three basement car park floors. Within the constrained site there was a steep cross fall such that the excavation on the road frontage was the full three storeys deep whilst at the back of the site the excavation was limited to a single storey.

                            I refuse to allow you to misinform the good public.. yuh all have Mosiah (who inna construction) jumping up and down in your clown troupe.

                            I can throw these bombs at you all day.. let me know when it impacting your 'brain'.

                            Is no wondah di country underperforming.. is more dan one of your type parading as sensible people.
                            Last edited by Muadib; May 6, 2008, 05:50 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Maudib View Post
                              It is a tough job but somebody has to do it.

                              You are ignorant to the point of being dangerous so I count this as a service to mankind:

                              Deep Basement Construction A Case Study


                              Auckland

                              Abstract

                              Parklands Apartments is a sixteen storey hotel development on the fringe of Auckland’s CBD with thirteen storeys above ground and three basement car park floors. Within the constrained site there was a steep cross fall such that the excavation on the road frontage was the full three storeys deep whilst at the back of the site the excavation was limited to a single storey.

                              I refuse to allow you to misinform the good public.. yuh all have Mosiah (who inna construction) jumping up and down in your clown troupe.

                              I can throw these bombs at you all day.. let me know when it impacting your 'brain'.

                              Is no wondah di country underperforming.. is more dan one of your type parading as sensible people.



                              you are too much.
                              TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                              Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                              D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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