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    John McCain and or Hillary Clinton proposes? I thought Barack Obama was telling us for over 15 months that he is a different type of politician - one who would embrace 'good things' regardless of where on the political divide it came from?


    Friday, April 25, 2008

    Obama on gas tax holiday: Favored it in 2000, opposes it now



    Earlier this morning, I saw Barack Obama speak on television in Indianapolis on the need to have lower gasoline prices.

    Well, who could be against that? Obama, for one.

    Senator John McCain has proposed a summer federal gasoline "tax holiday," which Obama opposes. Hillary Clinton supports it.

    In 2000, Illinois had a summer gas tax holiday, which then-State Senator Barack Obama voted for, as State Senator Matt Murphy (R-Mount Prospect), points out in this Illinois Republican Party press release:
    The gas tax moratorium passed in 2000 with Barack Obama's help lowered gas prices and saved Illinois drivers hundreds of millions of dollars. So I'm surprised to learn that Obama now opposes a federal moratorium this summer. Lowering gas prices would deliver immediate relief to American drivers and help grow our economy. It worked in Illinois, and it would work nationwide. John McCain understands the plight of hardworking American families, that's why he's proposed a moratorium on the federal gas tax when we need it most.
    Source: Republican Party surrogate

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    Fact Check: Despite past record, Obama opposes gas tax 'holiday' his rivals are backing
    Wednesday, April 30, 2008 04:04:11 PM














    THE FACTS:
    In 2000, gasoline prices were climbing quickly, reaching $2 a gallon in the Chicago area – a remarkable price back then. Illinois legislators scrambled to offer some election-year relief to angry motorists.

    Obama voted three times for a tax holiday.

    The version that ended up becoming law required a six-month suspension of the state's share of the sales tax on gasoline, a 5 percent tax paid directly by consumers rather than gas stations.

    It also required gas stations to post signs on their pumps saying that the Illinois General Assembly had lowered taxes and the price should reflect that cut.

    The impact of the tax holiday was never clear.

    A government study could not determine how much of the savings was actually passed along to motorists. Many lawmakers said their constituents didn't seem to have benefited. They also worried the tax break was pushing the state budget out of balance.

    At the end of Illinois' tax holiday, there was a failed push to eliminate the sales tax permanently. Obama was among those voting against eliminating the tax.

    Obama's presidential campaign says the lessons of that Illinois tax holiday influenced his decision to oppose a national tax holiday. The lack of clear results then make him dubious about suspending the national tax now.

    In addition, the Illinois tax was paid directly by consumers and increased as gas prices increased. Obama's campaign points out the national tax is a flat 18.4 cents (24.4 cents a gallon for diesel) and, therefore, isn't climbing as gas prices climb.

    It's also paid by producers, raising more questions about whether they'd pass the full savings along to customers.
    During a three-month suspension, the average driver would save only about $28, according to the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials.

    "That assumes the oil companies are going to give it to you. That's probably not a likely outcome," said Jack Basso, the association's director of management and business development.

    If oil companies did pass along the savings, tax experts say, the lower prices would increase demand. Since refineries are already at maximum production levels, the increased demand probably would drive prices back up.

    The association also estimates that suspending the tax would divert about $8.5 billion from the Highway Trust Fund, which pays for road and bridge repairs and already faces a shortfall of $3.2 billion. Taking that tax money from the trust fund could endanger hundreds of thousands of jobs – every $1 billion in highway money supports 33,000 jobs, by one estimate – and would push more maintenance and construction costs onto the states.

    "The federal gas tax is a piddly little 18 cents. If that is eliminated, it isn't going to make an iota of difference to the average gasoline purchaser, yet it's going to hasten the bankruptcy of the Highway Trust Fund," said Rod Diridon, head of the Mineta Transportation Institute at San Jose State University.

    McCain suggests avoiding that problem by replacing the lost money with unspecified funds from elsewhere in the budget. Clinton wants to impose a new tax on oil company profits to make up for lifting the gasoline tax.
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    By Christopher Wills

    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

  • #2
    mi si yuh source.......or as they say "yuh slip showing"

    Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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    • #3
      No, he cannot be sitting on the park bench with his feet up!

      So scripted! The arm around her shoulder, the affectionate glance.

      sigh


      BLACK LIVES MATTER

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      • #4
        yuh sound...BITTA!!!!

        Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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        • #5
          really?! ok, fine!

          i am nauseated by the scripts for American politicians and news personalities.


          BLACK LIVES MATTER

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          • #6
            you are being ridiculous... it is the experience that has made obama wiser... i admire a person who can learn from mistakes instead of compounding them...
            'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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            • #7
              I have to assume Karl is not serious and is just Obama-bashing for the fun of it.
              "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Islandman View Post
                I have to assume Karl is not serious and is just Obama-bashing for the fun of it.
                i think he would want many to get that impression because of how ridiculous he has become with his line of reasoning...
                'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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                • #9
                  den yuh nuh si di SOURCE?!!!

                  Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                  • #10
                    ok...how about bloomberg?

                    NEW YORK — Mayor Michael Bloomberg called a summer-long suspension of the gas tax favored by Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton and Republican John McCain a dumb idea.
                    The New York mayor, who flirted with the idea of an independent presidential bid, praised Democrat Barack Obama for opposing the plan to suspend the 18.4 cent federal gas tax and 24.2 cent diesel tax during the peak driving months of the summer.
                    All three candidates covet Bloomberg's endorsement. The mayor has spoken highly of Obama and McCain in introducing the two at recent events in New York.
                    Speaking to reporters at City Hall, Bloomberg said of the gas tax holiday, "It's about the dumbest thing I've heard in an awful long time, from an economic point of view. We're trying to discourage people from driving and we're trying to end our energy dependence ... and we're trying to have more money to build infrastructure."
                    He cited those three reasons for opposing the gas tax holiday favored by McCain and Clinton. Obama has said the savings would not be significant for the average individual, and Bloomberg agreed.
                    "The 30 bucks is not going to change anybody's lifestyle," he said. "The billions of dollars that we would otherwise have in tax revenues can make a big difference as to what kind of a world we leave our children."
                    The billionaire mayor said in February that he had decided not to run for president but has dangled the possibility of his endorsement. The Democrat-turned-Republican-turned-independent has ties to all three candidates.

                    Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                    • #11
                      Considering that source, Hillary looking down isn't good, and Michelle head need to be tilted towards Obama, certainly not away.
                      And I guess the person that sits where Obama shoes were and eats where he sat, do so not knowing the recent events..)
                      The Republicans are something else.




                      Blessed

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                      • #12
                        it is plain as day... it is ironic that he would offer evidence of which joe andrew alluded in his letter... same old republican political tactics...
                        'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Gamma View Post
                          Speaking to reporters at City Hall, Bloomberg said of the gas tax holiday, "It's about the dumbest thing I've heard in an awful long time, from an economic point of view. We're trying to discourage people from driving and we're trying to end our energy dependence ... and we're trying to have more money to build infrastructure."
                          well john mccain has an excuse... he had long since said his knowledge of economics is limited...

                          as to hillary clinton, its just plain ignorance and a desperate attempt at prostituting for votes...

                          once again, evidence to be found in joe andrew's letter...
                          'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gamma View Post
                            mi si yuh source.......or as they say "yuh slip showing"
                            Right is right...even if it comes from the enemy!
                            "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Islandman View Post
                              I have to assume Karl is not serious and is just Obama-bashing for the fun of it.
                              You assume wrong on the serious part...but you are correct I am not bashing him for fun! He must represent!

                              There is no reason on God's earth why as Hillary says - relief cannot be given here...and steps taken to not only keep funding for the road system...but to increase funding. It just means there will have to be a number of things addressing the problem all being done as opposed to Obama's thinking that giving thought to and acting on a reduction of the 'gas tax' as the only single solitarty thing that is being proposed and as fact was not the only solitary thing proposed.

                              When we oppose for oppose sake we tend to more play than the fool! ...but act through as the fool!
                              "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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