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    February 1, 2008, 9:41 am Clinton, Obama and the Jews

    By Glenn Collins


    The notion that New York’s Jewish electorate could be easily characterized has long been debatable. But the looming primary election on Tuesday is raising new speculation about how strongly Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama will appeal to Jewish Democrats.
    “I don’t speak for the Jewish community,” said former Mayor Edward I. Koch, “and nobody speaks for the Jewish community. The Jews, individually, speak for themselves.”

    And though these days he, himself, is speaking up for Senator Clinton, Mr. Koch acknowledges that “lots of people — Jews and others — will be voting for Barack.”
    Indeed, “it’s almost an embarrassment of riches for the Jewish voter,” said Ammiel Hirsch, senior rabbi of the Stephen Wise Free Synagogue on the Upper West Side of Manhattan. “Perhaps there is a certain amount of distress that they have to choose between the two, because they are both enormously appealing to the Jewish community.”
    He added: “It is a very exciting time for us, because I think the Jewish primary vote in the New York area is up for grabs in the next five days.”
    To Sid Davidoff, a senior partner at one of New York’s largest lobbying firms who is not working for either of the campaigns, “I think there is going to be a split between established older voters in the Jewish community, with whom Hillary will do well, and younger and more liberal Jews who see Obama as an agent of change.”
    Although it would seem likely that Senator Clinton might capture the lioness’s share of voters in her stronghold state, including Jews, even the slightest shift in Jewish support is a subject of interest. Some local blogs recently claimed that Councilman Simcha Felder of Brooklyn had switched his support from Senator Clinton to Senator Obama.
    A spokesman for the councilman, Eric Kuo, said Thursday that Mr. Felder has not campaigned for either candidate, or previously announced support. Then, during a radio show on Tuesday night, according to Mr. Kuo, the councilman said he would be voting for Senator Obama.
    An important reason for such intense scrutiny is that “the Jewish community tends to vote, and make contributions, far in excess of its proportion of the population,” said Gary Rosenblatt, editor and publisher of Jewish Week, the nation’s largest Jewish weekly.
    Not everyone is being swept away by the primary deadline, of course.
    “Generally speaking, I am suspicious of all politicians on the Jewish issue,” said Marvin Kitman, a media critic for The Huffington Post. “With friends like them we don’t need enemies. The basic question we of the Hebrew persuasion tend to ask on all issues, whether it is the Giants in the Super Bowl, or Amy Winehouse, or global warming, is: Is it good or bad for the Jews?”
    Earlier this week, attempting to make it clear that he is good for the Jews, Senator Obama answered questions from reporters at Jewish news outlets in a conference call, attempting to counter concerns about his positions on issues such as his hope for a dialogue with Iran. He said the control of nuclear weapons by Iran would be a threat to Israeli and United States interests. He added that he had long spoken against anti-Semitism, and had always denounced the views of Louis Farrakhan.
    In the Senate, Senator Obama backed Israel during its 2006 war with Hezbollah in Lebanon, and in the Monday conference call he said that Palestinians must control terrorist activity and violent anti-Israel actions before Israel should make concessions.
    Both senators “are supportive of Israel, and few question that,” said Rabbi Steve Gutow, executive director of the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, a nonprofit group that promotes consensus among Jewish groups and oversees the Israel Advocacy Initiative, that tries to communicate pro-Israel views.
    The American Jewish Committee and other Jewish groups have attacked a campaign of e-mails that made false claims that Senator Obama was, among other things, a secret Muslim. (He is a Christian who has attended Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago since the 1980s.)
    “I think Obama has dealt effectively with those rumors that he is really a secret agent,” Mr. Rosenblatt said.
    And to Rabbi Hirsch, “Most Jews are too sophisticated to fall for that garbage,” he said, adding: “It’s almost embarrassing that there would be an attempt to sway us in that manner.”
    As for Senator Clinton, “I don’t think the Suha issue has any resonance anymore,” Mr. Koch said. In 1999, Mrs. Clinton attended an event in Ramallah where the wife of Yasir Arafat, Suha, accused Israel of poisoning Palestinian women and children with toxic gases. Mrs. Clinton listened with obvious discomfort but left politely, giving Mrs. Arafat a kiss.
    Mrs. Arafat’s remarks were denounced by Prime Minister Ehud Barak of Israel, and in New York, Mrs. Clinton was criticized in newspaper editorials and by several groups for her silence and the kiss. Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, then a possible Senate candidate, sharply attacked her.
    Mr. Koch added: “I said that Suha wasn’t an issue in a Hillary commercial then, and I’d say it again in a commercial now if she asked me.”
    Both Senators are still looking for endorsements, and hoping that the ones they have will influence Tuesday’s vote. “Both Hillary and Obama have prominent people in the Jewish community supporting them,” Mr. Rosenblatt said.
    Aside from Mr. Koch, prominent Jewish politicians supporting Mrs. Clinton include New York’s other senator, Charles E. Schumer; Senator Dianne Feinstein of California; and Representatives Gary L. Ackerman of Queens, Eliot L. Engel of the Bronx, Jerrold L. Nadler of Manhattan, Anthony D. Weiner of Queens and Brooklyn.
    Among Senator Obama’s political supporters are several Jewish members of Congress: Representatives Steve Rothman of New Jersey, Adam B. Schiff of California, Jan Schakowsky of Illinois and Robert Wexler of Florida.
    Although the candidates have focused on public appearances in other states, “my sense is that there is a huge amount of enthusiasm for both candidates in the Jewish community, and that both represent an important breakthrough in American political and social life,” Rabbi Hirsch said.
    He added: “The community was disproportionately active in favor of the civil-rights movement, and so the prospect of an African American president is enormously moving for the Jewish community. But then, the prospect of a woman president is also very moving for the Jewish community.”
    In the American Jewish Committee’s national Annual Survey of American Jewish Opinion, 70 percent of Jewish Democrats said they had a favorable opinion of Senator Clinton, in comparison with 45 percent for Senator Obama. The telephone poll last November studied 1,000 self-identifying Jewish respondents in a sample that had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points.
    A victory in New York’s Jewish community for Senator Obama would be remarkable. “In the Chicago community Jewish voters know Obama well and like him,” said Malcolm I. Hoenlein, vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, an umbrella organization that focuses on Jewish issues. “But in New York, Jewish voters don’t know him well.”
    None would predict who would sway Jewish voters on Tuesday. “I think that the Jewish vote is supporting Hillary at this point,” Mr. Davidoff said. “But Obama has the buzz. And with the primary less than a week away, this is very volatile.”
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    Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else - Vince Lombardi

  • #2
    Did anyone watch the debate last night? I was playing music and completely forgot about it. Saw about 45 minutes.
    "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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    • #3
      the real power brokers start talk now!!!

      Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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      • #4
        it was PURE love...it was all "hilary" and "barack" back and forth. i feel that behind the scenes they are both courting edwards and because edwards has whitehouse ambitions himself he will ally himself after he sees how the race is shaping....

        when asked if each would consider each other on a presidential ticket...they were both evasive in a suspicious kind a way...but maybe i'm reading too much into it.

        Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Gamma View Post
          it was PURE love...it was all "hilary" and "barack" back and forth. i feel that behind the scenes they are both courting edwards and because edwards has whitehouse ambitions himself he will ally himself after he sees how the race is shaping....

          when asked if each would consider each other on a presidential ticket...they were both evasive in a suspicious kind a way...but maybe i'm reading too much into it.
          I did see that part. I actually liked the response the Obama gave. Then again, think about it ... could such a ticket be beaten by McCain?
          "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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          • #6
            don't listen to word Ed Kotch say
            • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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            • #7
              Ed Kotch - can he be ever trusted . Does he still live in a rent stabilized apt.
              Life is a system of half-truths and lies, opportunistic, convenient evasion.”
              - Langston Hughes

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              • #8
                More worried about the Hispanic vote , they rarely vote for a black candidate.more likely to vote republican .
                THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

                "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


                "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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                • #9
                  certainly the cubans....this goes all the way back to the bay of pigs fiasco for which they blamed kennedy and the democrats. funny things is most of thsoe votes probably were either too youn to remember or weren't born yet but they have been well indoctrinated!

                  Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                  • #10
                    How does one explain california? if obama wins california , he wins the white house.

                    If the republicans go negative against Obama ,which they will , they will lose .

                    To me its down to California , I see Obama capturing the South.He cannot loose NY and California , he needs one.
                    THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

                    "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


                    "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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                    • #11
                      california is just a weird place.....who can forget the twinkie defence in the harvey milk case?

                      california appears that it would be a liberal state but then they had the terminator and captain ron as guv...go figure. i often wonder about the latino population which is eleigible to vote.

                      btw dl hughly said americans should stop complaining about mexican illegal imiigrants in tx, ca and arizona because the truth is that the american/mexican border has been moved and those states were once a part of mexico.

                      Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                      • #12
                        Obama will obviously lose NY, Hillary's home state. Which is a forgone conclusion. Obama is running neck and neck with her in California.

                        He is expected to win his home state of Illinois easily, much the same way as Hillary will clean up in NY.

                        Opinion polls -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion...008#California

                        Rasmussen Reports Sampling Size: 807
                        Margin of Error: ±4%
                        January 29, 2008 Hillary Clinton 43%, Barack Obama 40%, John Edwards 9%, Other 4%, Undecided 4%
                        Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else - Vince Lombardi

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                        • #13
                          Note quite. The Yucas - Young Cuban Americans in Broward Coounty tend to vote Democratic. The older ones still in Little Havana and Hialeah tend to be focused on the Repugs. But they are not the solid block they used to be. The memory of Ronald Reagan has faded and the relationship between the Repugs and Latinos has been soured by what has been perceived as their anti-immigrant rehtoric.

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                          • #14
                            The talking heads believe if he can get 40% of the Cali delegates he will be fine. Remember it is not winner take all.

                            He - or should I say they - have turned things upside down - the black candidate has more potential in the south and in rural areas of Upstate New York and Northern California and among afluent to middle income whites. While the white candidate is strong in the urban areas and unions bases. Huh?!?!?

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                            • #15
                              Guys this is not about the popular vote, it is about the electoral college and the electoral map. None of the three, tha tis Hillary, Obama, or Edwards will help each other as running mates. Whoever the nominee, that person will have to select a running mate who can alter the electoral map by bringing some red states in and turning them to blue states. Edwards cant carry his home state South Carolina and he cant carry his state of residence North Carolina. Obama is in Illinois and that will be blue anyway. A southern conservative democrat needs to be brought to the ticket to carry a couple of key southern states with a good number of electoral votes like Florida.

                              In the Clinton Gore years, Gore carried his southern home state of Tennessee. However, in his presidential election and in Kerry's, Tennessee was red not blue. In the chad gate election florida should ahve been bkue but was declared red. In the next election Jeb helped make florida red.

                              The candidates daned around the running mate thing because it just wont happen for practical reasons.
                              "Jah Jah see dem a come, but I & I a Conqueror!"

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