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    The use of force
    published: Sunday | January 20, 2008


    Rudolph Brown/Chief Photographer
    Prime Minister Bruce Golding visits the house where five men were killed on Sunday during a police/military operation in Tivoli Garden, on Wednesday, January 16.


    Don Robotham, Contributor

    Inflation is shooting up above 15 per cent and the dollar has begun to slide again. Interest rates are rising sharply, with severe implications for the debt-servicing burden on our budget. The U.S. economy seems to be heading into recession with extremely serious implications for the Jamaican economy and society. Yet, little attention is being paid to these dramatic developments.

    Instead, the past week has been consumed with discussions of the shoot-out in Tivoli Gardens. The issue before us is the use of lethal force by the State. In what circumstances, if any, is the use of lethal force by the State justified?

    The loss of any life is always to be deplored, whether this be the life of security officers, ordinary citizens, or gunmen. I have serious reservations about the indiscri-minate use of deadly force by our security forces. But it would be foolish to second-guess security personnel who are putting their lives on the line to return some semblance of stability to the Jamaican society. In no country in the world, including the U.K. and the U.S.A., would shooting at the police with high-powered rifles be met with anything other than lethal force. Indeed, in the Menezes case in the U.K. last year, the unarmed Brazilian was summarily dispatched for merely being thought to be suspicious.

    It is one thing to argue that the police are trigger-happy and often use kill-and-go tactics. It is another thing to argue that under no circumstances whatsoever should the security forces ever be permitted to use lethal force, even when known criminals are using high-powered rifles to shoot directly at them. Anyone who argues for an absolute ban on the use of lethal force by the security forces must say what they propose as a I hope they do not take any ludicrous position such as proposing community policing or youth rehabilitation. The issue before us is not whether lethal force should be the only or main method. The question is whether the use of lethal force should be one of the permitted methods in the arsenal of the security forces for certain situations.

    Neglected officers
    One of the most striking things about the reaction to the raid has been the complete neglect of the two security officers who were wounded. No human rights organisation has expressed the slightest interest in whether they are dead or alive. No TV cameras or talk-show hosts have sought out their family and friends. No news media have sought to find out how their children are managing. No one has posted their stories on YouTube or Facebook. Not even the Prime Minister, in his carefully crafted statement, showed the slightest concern for the wounded in the security forces. They have simply been used and refused. Is it that the lives of security personnel don't count?

    There must be real regret for all casualties in the Tivoli raid. There must also be very serious concern about how the bodies of persons killed are treated after death. We must always try and show respect to the dead and especially to their families, irrespective of whether such persons were criminals or not. But why are we not showing an equal concern for the lives of members of our security forces?

    Silence is golden
    The most striking political aspect of these events has been not the Tivoli raid itself. The more striking thing has been the way in which Prime Minister Bruce Golding, Minister of National Security, Derrick Smith and the Jamaica Labour Party (JLP) leadership have dealt with the issue. Up to this point, Minister Smith has maintained a stony silence. Likewise for the Attorney General and Minister of Justice. The Mayor of Kingston and local-government representative for the area, Senator Desmond McKenzie, went further - he actually made positive remarks about the professionalism of the police. Mr. Golding himself made a belated intervention on Wednesday, fully three days after the raid and after the pressure from sections of his party had become unbearable. To say that this has raised an anti-Golding firestorm in certain sections of the JLP would be putting it mildly.

    In the light of this intense pressure, Mr. Golding's statement was a model of moderation. So far, he has been very circumspect, calling for official procedures to be given their opportunity to work. This is a very positive sign and gives us hope that sanity will prevail. Of course, cynics and detractors abound. Some point to the astonishing rumours of divisions in Tivoli, of the Montego Bay origins of the gunmen, of threats which some of the gunmen have allegedly made against leading political figures and of who may have tipped off the police - all of which may have made it politically feasible for Mr. Golding to adopt his hands-off posture. Much of this may or may not be true but misses the point. Whatever the opportunistic conjuncture of circumstances which have made Mr. Golding's statesmanlike stand possible, the fact is he has taken a statesmanlike stance. Given the pressure that he has been under, he deserves credit and public support. This is what leadership is about.

    Tough choices
    The Tivoli raid emphasises yet again that in our fight against violent criminality, we face some tough choices. It is obvious that we cannot rely solely on community policing to deal with the ruthless criminals we face. It is equally obvious that we cannot simply use an indiscriminate kill-and-go strategy against gunmen at any and every opportunity. The challenge is how to specify the situations in which lethal state violence is permissible, and to elaborate and operationalise an effective legal framework to regulate such situations. Let me be crystal clear here: I am referring to the right of the security forces to use lethal force in situations which do not meet the current legal standards of self-defence.

    The society must face the fact and make it plain that on some occasions, the use of lethal force is not just permissible, but is essential. We must also establish, as clearly as possible, the limits of this right. We also need to work out in detail how persons who might be killed in such situations are to be treated - there is to be no dumping of bodies into pickup trucks.

    All this needs to be made explicitly clear in the rules of engagement and be approved at the highest political levels, including by the Minister of National Security, the Minister of Justice and the Prime Minister himself. The Opposition Spokesman on National Security should also be asked to sign off on these harsh but inescapable realities.

    Consensus on a rights-governed framework is essential in our present crisis situation, otherwise we shall lose this fight. We cannot afford the constant second-guessing of the security forces. They must be heartily tired of the unbearable hypocrisy of it all. This is why I have repeatedly called for the establishment of a special segment of the judiciary to govern such operations as occurred in Tivoli. This is now more urgent than ever, because we can rest assured that this raid will not be the last. In fact, I am expecting a similar raid at any moment in a PNP-controlled community.

    Rights-governed framework
    The reason why a rights-governed framework is necessary is to protect both the human rights of citizens as well as to protect our security officers. Jamaican society cannot be asking security officers to take life with a wink and a nod, and then when they do exactly what we are demanding, throw our hands up in horror and turn around and berate them. If lethal force is the policy, then the situations in which it can be used must be defined explicitly and clearly for all to the world to know. Responsibility must be taken at the top, not shunted down on to the shoulders of Inspector Steve Brown who is only doing his duty as we have asked him to do it.

    If, on the other hand, we take the view of some human rights activists that under no circumstances, except the most clear-cut cases of self-defence, should lethal force be used, then we must say so with equal force and clarity.
    Our security forces have a right to know exactly where they stand. Jamaica faces huge economic challenges which will have the effect of aggravating social conditions and increasing the threat of violent crime. Clarity on crucial matters of security policy is therefore essential. The time for games has longed passed.
    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

  • #2
    Originally posted by Karl View Post
    The loss of any life is always to be deplored, whether this be the life of security officers, ordinary citizens, or gunmen
    Why is the loss of a gunman's life deplorable?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bricktop View Post
      Why is the loss of a gunman's life deplorable?
      It is a human life...one which we all know that but for fate...but for the circumstances born into could just as likely be productive and beneficial to society!

      If you ever interacted with any of these guys...you would possible come away, like I have...that they are mere humans with the same hopes for/of a better life as all of us. Real pity they went 'wrong'!
      "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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      • #4
        I really have no desire to interact with them. Many are also born into the same circumstance and choose not to pick up a gun. I have no empathy for them whatsoever.

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        • #5
          Jamaican police and soldier them only good fi kill innocent

          people. How could they get intelligience about wanted man and come out killing so much innocent people. I bet them left the same day after instead of stay there until them find the bad man dem.

          How comes them always get intelligience about Tivoli ...

          What would you do if police shoot you little brother like that ..just jumping on the bed playing .....

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          • #6
            You're rambling. What does this have to do with my post about gunmen?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bricktop View Post
              Many are also born into the same circumstance and choose not to pick up a gun. I have no empathy for them whatsoever.
              Are you right about many born into the same circumstances...really? - There is a saying walk in a man's shoes...

              The reality is because two men were born and grew up in an area...with 'seemingly' same levels of poverty and 'seemingly' same opportunities - perhaps better stated, same lack of opportunities - does not mean the circumstances and needs were really the same.

              If, for example, we understand that in a real sense the %age who have lost immediate relatives to gun violence are few...then it would be able to understand that there will be a relative few who were...again - for example, at an impressionable age observed their...say, fathers gunned down and had the resolve grow within to meet out similar pain to others?

              OK!...the above was extreme, but the point is 'looks are deceiving'. The 'youth' who grew up in the same inner city...if we accept that...each is the product of a unique home environment... it means 'their circumstances' were not the same.

              ...to go on...different family backgrounds....different support persons...etc., etc...
              Yes, similarities on one level may be the same...but, on others circumstances are wide apart.

              ...just saying in the worst of us, there is good! ...we are never truly from the same circumstances. We all come from our own unique environment...
              ...just a pity so many of our young 'go to waste'!
              "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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              • #8
                You would be most wanted born into certain circumstances.. of that I have no doubt...

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                • #9
                  not based on your line of reasoning but I can't bring myself to empathize for them any more....everytime one of them dead, dem somehow turn inna saint...
                  Karl commenting on Maschaeroni's sending off, "Getting sent off like that is anti-TEAM!
                  Terrible decision by the player!":busshead::Laugh&roll::Laugh&roll::eek::La ugh&roll:

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                  • #10
                    mi confused...yuh change yuh "bud" argument?

                    Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                    • #11
                      just one big mess...
                      'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Yuttie View Post
                        not based on your line of reasoning but I can't bring myself to empathize for them any more....everytime one of them dead, dem somehow turn inna saint...

                        My wife taught at Marvely All-Age for 5 years. She has often involved me with her classes and her various schools over the years. Marverly was no different. I got to meet members fo her various classes...I can remember this particular class of very 'nice'...eagar for love kids.

                        Some years after my wife had left Marverly...I had stopped at Marvely Ave (there was a patty shop there) and the road that runs by Marverly Police Station (beside Three Oaks & Hughenden) right near to the Marverly Football Field...one of the kids saw me and came up to say two things - Asked me to say "Hi to my wife" for him and to tell her "ongle mi wan left". Everyone one of the boys was dead. Claimed by the gun!

                        Those kids, I am convinced, were all good kids. I did not think to ask if all became gunmen...as it was possible that some were 'innocent' victims...but, I was just 'blown away' by his information that it never crossed my mind to ask anything. I think I mumbled the 'nice to see you' 'glad to hear you are ok'...or soem similar crap!

                        I can't help 'weeping' for those who never had the chances at life I did. I certainly believe they have at the very least the same capacity to 'do' as I am doing...and, I am sure many would have done, given the chance faaaar better!

                        Jus laka mi a suhmady pickney...Dem a suhmady pickney dem tuh! ...and, we all have the capacity to 'do'!
                        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                        • #13
                          den "bud" a nuh smaddy pickney too?

                          Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gamma View Post
                            den "bud" a nuh smaddy pickney too?
                            You find it hard to reconcile the "bud" idea, against capital punishment and the above...don't you?

                            The fact is all fit like a glove in my mind. ...and, just for the record may i remind you that I suggest we i) disarm and ii) any outside of the security forces who then have guns make of themselves bud.
                            "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                            • #15
                              i am for capital punishment, and i also feel that if a gunman opens fire on the police....if he runs out of bullets .... that is really too bad for him.

                              adams seh (watch mo cringe) ... he offers the criminal the bible or the gun...if they refuse the bible he cannot guarantee their safety!

                              Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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